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  • #31
    The switch to the 4-3 might benefit Williams so I would have no issues with the Broncos bringing him back along with Bannan and Thomas.
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    • #32
      Am I the only one around here that remembers that Bannan and Williams were signed as FA's because they were suppose to be solid 3-4 tackles?

      If this was their specialty, then why would anyone think they would be better in a 4-3 defense?

      I think both got cut because they did not perform to expectations and made too much money in doing so.

      I only see Bannan and Williams being signed as an insurance policy in the event no else better is willing to come here.
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      • #33
        I was surprised when we cut Bannan until I heard about a bonus he was due. Yeah, I bet he was pissed. Imagine your boss firing you to avoid a bonus and then re-hiring you 3 months later. Especially given that you were one of the more consistent performers, kept your head down, worked hard, and represented your organization well.

        Sure, our defense sucked last year and you have to take some ownership of that, but last I checked there are other people involved with that problem.

        I'd love to see us keep Bannan (and pay him the bonus he was due) and I'd be fine with keeping Thomas b/c I'd like to see if he can get the job done in a 4-3.

        Williams I am more ambivalent about - he's definitely on the downhill side of things. Wouldn't want to spend a lot of money on him when the FA market looks to be so wide open - whenever it does open.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by qbronco View Post
          Am I the only one around here that remembers that Bannan and Williams were signed as FA's because they were suppose to be solid 3-4 tackles?

          If this was their specialty, then why would anyone think they would be better in a 4-3 defense?

          I think both got cut because they did not perform to expectations and made too much money in doing so.

          I only see Bannan and Williams being signed as an insurance policy in the event no else better is willing to come here.
          I don't think J. Williams would add very much but I think bannan would be a very good asset at this point. Thomas and Bannan are tops on my FA list. Bannan has the strength to anchor the line but also has some ability to get into the backfield. A rotation of Bannan, Thomas, and Vickerson wouldn't be ideal but it would be a place to start and would get us through the season ok.

          Cofield would be a better addition but I think he stays in NY. Marcus Spears is another good FA prospect, imo.
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          • #35
            Really last year our run defense up the middle was about average, it was on the outside where we struggled. Hunter would not contain at all and neither would Haggan when he played OLB. Ayers was the only one that would contain. It's been like this for awhile too. Teams have run off tackle on us all day long for the past few seasons.

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            • #36
              I think if Broncos brought back two of the three, with Vickerson and Leonard, they should be alright at DT. I think in a 4-3 Thomas might really excell. Has J-Wall ever played 4-3 much and how was he? I thought in the 2nd half of the season he did pretty good last season.
              How is Denver going to use Beal? I really like their draft but don't totally understand it! lol
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              • #37
                Thomas is the guy I want back. This guy is talented, and did a good job last year in a 3-4, and based on stats that MUG and eINC provided us.

                You plug him in with Vickerson and add a quality FA, and we're good.

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                • #38
                  Thomas is the only guy I see potential in and signing him makes sense. Bannon and Williams...ehh..who cares. There are better DTs in free agency.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by bucking bronco View Post
                    Thomas is the only guy I see potential in and signing him makes sense. Bannon and Williams...ehh..who cares. There are better DTs in free agency.
                    Bannan wasn't that bad last year, he played better near the end of the year, and would be a good rotational DT if he wants to come back.

                    Don't want JWall back, but if so, oh well, can never have enough bodies at DT.

                    Agree with Thomas but i wouldn't overpay to bring him back depending on how much he wants.

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                    • #40
                      Guys....I hope none of you are serious.

                      Jamal Williams was garbage last season. Re-watching some games, a lot of teams didn't even feel the need to double-team him. He was single blocked a lot and couldn't beat his man. Jamal Williams is washed up.

                      As for Justin Bannan, he was on the ground way too often. He's nothing special, he was not very good for us last season. Didn't contain on the run, and got washed out a lot of the times when they ran to his side. Bannan did nothing for us in a 3-4, and I hope we don't re-sign him because he won't do much for us in a 4-3 (unless he accepts a very moderate contract).

                      Marcus Thomas is the only one of the bunch worth re-signing. This is a guy who gave 110% last season with us well out of the playoffs. He got more playing time as the season went on, but was not a great fit in the 3-4. That's two years taken away from him being a starter in a 4-3. I think he'll flourish with all the pass-rushing talent around him now. We need to re-sign Marcus Thomas.

                      Summary: Re-sign Marcus Thomas, forget JWall, only re-sign Bannan if he accepts a contract that's worth far less in comparison to what he made (stole) last season.


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                      • #41
                        I think Thomas has a great shot at starting if they let him play the UT position and let him play with a one gap responsibility. When he was drafted, that was his forté, yet he's never truly been used in that role - under Slowik, him and Robertson (both penetrators) were used as two gap space eaters.
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                        • #42
                          Bannan wasn't bad last year and would probably do quite a bit better this year with all of the attention that Von Doom is going to draw.

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                          • #43
                            Right now, I'd take Bannan, Williams, and Thomas back. Thomas was good, so that's a no-brainer. Play him at 3 tech, and hope for the best. Bannan finished strong. He's worth starting at NT in a 43. Keep Williams, whom also finished strong, as a short yardage specialist.

                            I don't really feel there are better options available in FA, especially when you factor in cost.

                            I think it was beyond stupid to avoid DT in this super deep draft, and its going to be frustrating when we hone in on the position in a weaker DT draft next year. Or, maybe we'll just go BPA again and ignore it completely another year. Regardless, looks like our best bet (outside of trading Orton for a DT), is to resign these guys and pray.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by SoundsOfSuccess View Post
                              You're expecting way too much out of him then, because he did his job, well.

                              He took up his double teams and penetrated on occasion, but he was more the big space eater and Fields was the penetrator.

                              In the 34, the DT has the hardest job on the field and gets all the blame if the run D sucks, wrongfully so.
                              You are correct in saying that the 3-4 DT gets all of the blame when the run defense sucks but it is not always wrongfully so. Williams job as a 3-4 DT is to demand a double team from the offensive line and keep the guards off the ILBs to allow them to pursue the running back. I saw far too many plays last year where a gaurd knocked Woodyard, Mays and Williams on their back on first and second downs. That is not the LBs fault it is Williams fault. I stand by my statement that Williams was at fault.

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