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  • broncos SB2010
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    Originally posted by BlueOrange7 View Post
    if they rework his contract to be lower, he still gets his guarenteed 5 mill, but will cost the broncos less over the long haul.....it makes sense..williams doesn't fit their system and would have cost denver wayyy too much if he completed the 5 years, same with graham
    They didn't rework it though, they cut him.

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  • broncos SB2010
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    Originally posted by MHSalute View Post
    We do not owe him 3.5MM, but if the signing bonus was 6.3MM on a 3 year contract = 2.1MM per year for cap purposes.

    Cutting him accelerated the final two years cap figure to be 4.2MM. Not real money, but cap money.

    Problem is there was no cap, so why is a bonus spread out anyways?

    I am just going to wait until the CBA info is released.
    This is the most logical thing to do Until then everything is just guessing.

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  • Grabber
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    From the link the OP provided:

    Robert Ayers 5 yr/$18,340,000

    Knowshon Moreno 5 yr/$16,700,000

    Am I missing something? Ayers was selected at 18. Six spots after Moreno at 12.

    How did he get a higher dollar contract? Maybe Moreno got more guaranteed money? Maybe a DE/OLB can demand more money than a RB even if getting drafted later? Just seems a bit odd.

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  • BlueOrange7
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    god i just want football

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  • broncos SB2010
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    Originally posted by the0rangecrush View Post
    Nope, for example Williams had 7mil guaranteed and signed a 6.3mil signing bonus, which we paid a majority of his 1st year, so most of the money has already been paid
    Ok, now this is making a little more sense. I couldn't find J. Williams bonus. If he got a $6.3M signing bonus than $4.2M of that is a cap hit for this upcoming season.

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  • Hoserman117
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    Just to clear the air on dead money....

    Here's how it works:

    Signing bonuses are prorated over the length of a contract for salary-cap purposes, they are NOT given in a single lump sum. If a player leaves the team before his contract expires, the remaining prorated portion of the bonus is counted immediately, in a lump sum, against the cap.

    The thing is, these contracts were giving during a year when there was no salary cap. If the contracts were given when there was no salary cap, they should not now count against a new salary cap that didn't exist when the contracts were made. It's a pretty logical step to get to that point. I'm going to assume we still have to pay out that money since it's a contract, but it really shouldn't count against our cap.

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  • MHSalute
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    Originally posted by BlueOrange7 View Post
    then how do we still owe him 3.5 to 4 mill? I think you are the one is wrong sir

    I believe how it works, is even if we did pay them the toatl amount, you have to account for the payment against the salary cap over the years in his contract, coul dbe wrong but check it out

    http://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/question644.htm
    We do not owe him 3.5MM, but if the signing bonus was 6.3MM on a 3 year contract = 2.1MM per year for cap purposes.

    Cutting him accelerated the final two years cap figure to be 4.2MM. Not real money, but cap money.

    Problem is there was no cap, so why is a bonus spread out anyways?

    I am just going to wait until the CBA info is released.

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  • BlueOrange7
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    Originally posted by broncos SB2010 View Post
    See, this is the part that makes no sense to me......they cut him because his salary was too high and want him back....but they still have to pay him $5M.

    Why would they cut him to save salary if they have to pay him anyway and then pay another to take his place on top of that?

    If they had to pay him regardless and they wanted to keep him, they would have just kept him. That doesn't add up.

    Same with J. Williams. If they had to pay him regardless, they would have kept him as well.

    I think with so much supposedly guaranteed money to these 2 guys they would have tried to trade them first before outright cutting.
    if they rework his contract to be lower, he still gets his guarenteed 5 mill, but will cost the broncos less over the long haul.....it makes sense..williams doesn't fit their system and would have cost denver wayyy too much if he completed the 5 years, same with graham

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  • broncos SB2010
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    Originally posted by BlueOrange7 View Post
    cut williams due to the fact he is a 3-4 nose tackle, bannan because he has too high a contract although they want him to come back, if he is willing to re-work his contract, then cut graham because, well frankly he is old and sucks
    See, this is the part that makes no sense to me......they cut him because his salary was too high and want him back....but they still have to pay him $5M.

    Why would they cut him to save salary if they have to pay him anyway and then pay another to take his place on top of that?

    If they had to pay him regardless and they wanted to keep him, they would have just kept him. That doesn't add up.

    Same with J. Williams. If they had to pay him regardless, they would have kept him as well.

    I think with so much supposedly guaranteed money to these 2 guys they would have tried to trade them first before outright cutting.

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  • the0rangecrush
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    Originally posted by BlueOrange7 View Post
    then how do we still owe him 3.5 to 4 mill? I think you are the one is wrong sir
    Don't get me wrong I could very well be wrong, I was just under the impression we heavily loaded his front end, because he was older and injury prone so if we had to cut him for whatever reason we weren't in this problem

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  • BlueOrange7
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    Originally posted by the0rangecrush View Post
    Nope, for example Williams had 7mil guaranteed and signed a 6.3mil signing bonus, which we paid a majority of his 1st year, so most of the money has already been paid
    then how do we still owe him 3.5 to 4 mill? I think you are the one is wrong sir

    I believe how it works, is even if we did pay them the toatl amount, you have to account for the payment against the salary cap over the years in his contract, coul dbe wrong but check it out

    http://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/question644.htm
    Last edited by BlueOrange7; 07-19-2011, 09:48 AM.

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  • the0rangecrush
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    Originally posted by BlueOrange7 View Post
    wrong, we oew them over the length of the terms of the contract
    Nope, for example Williams had 7mil guaranteed and signed a 6.3mil signing bonus, which we paid a majority of his 1st year, so most of the money has already been paid

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  • BlueOrange7
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    Originally posted by broncos SB2010 View Post
    How much of that was already paid. I couldn't find a signing bonus for him or how much his salary was last season.
    obviously we still owe him close to 3.5-4 mill so i woul hope this is the last check he would get signed by mr. bowlen

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  • broncos SB2010
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    Originally posted by BlueOrange7 View Post
    How much of that was already paid. I couldn't find a signing bonus for him or how much his salary was last season.

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  • BlueOrange7
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    Originally posted by the0rangecrush View Post
    We did cut Graham, and most of the players had front loaded contracts meaning most of the guaranteed money has been paid.
    wrong, we oew them over the length of the terms of the contract

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