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  • #31
    Jake,s kind of right here...

    An O_line is expected to hold about 2.5 to 3 seconds to be recognise as effective. The rest is up to the Qb and the pass rush....
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    • #32
      Originally posted by CanDB View Post
      If you judge this post by the cover (title) you may assume that I don't see Tim Tebow in our future. My response to that would be.......you are right and maybe wrong. (BTW......I do like the guy!!)

      Tim needs to grow into a passer, and he has to do it relatively soon. He can run all over the field, but like what we saw this weekend, there are reasons that his style may not be in our best interests for the long term....

      1) The Pats, who have a relatively poor D, had the option figured out really well this weekend. If they can figure it out and defend against it, the rest of the league won't be too far behind.
      2) If you haven't noticed......the teams who are excelling are the teams that can throw the ball. Clearly Rodgers had an off day, as did his receivers, but we know what he is capable of......and in the case of the loss, his opponent -Manning, was throwing the ball, and for lots of yardage! This wasn't a Giants' run game that won the game.....it was passing and their D.

      And Brady is an arm. We all know that. They say he has all those weapons, but really.......how many teams could be as productive with two TEs, and some little guys receiving the ball....with hardly any run attack? Passing baby!!!

      Brees played his typical pass oriented game, and did what he could to win, only to lose to a "Passing stud" named Alex Smith!!!! Seriously, the field manager threw amazingly well on Saturday, and that's why they won the game.....that was the only way for them to hold off New Orleans.

      In the other game, Flacco won, in his conservative way, but had Schaub been there for Houston (watch out for next year!!), I believe the Oilers easily win that game.

      And as for us.....Tebow threw for a lot of yardage against Pittsburgh.....if he doesn't throw so many bombs, I don't think we get past the Steelers.

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      It's a passing game. If you can't move the ball quickly, you may get left behind. For Tim to be successful, and for Elway to fully appreciate him, he's got to make big strides towards passing competency......and I don't just mean mechanics. We're talking reading Ds, and making better, quicker decisions. Don't blame our oline.....often they have given him plenty of time.....he just gets lost out there at times. It's serious business, and he still has a ways to go, learning how, where and when to pass.

      And for me, too much option will become a dying art in the NFL. Teams will be more ready. If on the other hand, TT upgrades his pass game, everything else will work. Teams can't D everything he does, if he gets the arm going.

      I am still not convinced. But I am convinced in one thing....

      I really do like and respect the dude!!!
      Everyone knows that. I'm going to ask you a few things.

      1. Can Tebow make all of the throws? In my opinion, he showed he could.
      2. Is Tebow a good athlete? I believe he's a great athlete for playing the QB position.

      The reason I point to those 2 things is because those, to me anyway, are the things that can't be taught. You can't teach athleticism (quick feet, etc.). You can't teach talent. He's got the talent to really drive that football down the field and even to take some off and drop it in the bucket.

      The thing, to me, that made him inconsistent is that he doesn't know what he's doing. He looks at a defense and is like .

      That's something that you can learn. Now the "x-factor" for me comes with how quickly he recognizes the D and how quickly he knows where to go with the football. A lot of QBs know right where to go with the football if you draw a play and say "against a cover 2". But when the bullets are flying, they don't recognize it very quickly and by the time they do recognize it, it's too late.

      The thing is, Tebow does okay (not good, but okay) not knowing how to do this. By comparison, you've got Brady Quinn who can make all the throws and is a good athlete too. He has more of an idea what he's doing than Tim. I think we can agree on that. But Brady Quinn's never been able to top a 70 QB rating for a season...ever. Why is that? To me, it's the recognition and the doing part. There's a bit of a pause there that he can't afford. To me, that's what separates great QBs from everyone else. It's not arm, it's not athleticism, it's not even accuracy. It's the ability to see and diagnose instantaneously. It's like being able to hit the curve ball. Some can, some can't. You don't know why, it just is.

      I think it's having a 4.6 second body with a 5.5 second mind myself. But that's just me. But that's the thing we need to find out about Tebow. But like I said, he's able to get a QB rating above 80 and above 70 without having the slightest idea of what he's doing. I imagine knowing what the defenses are will make things easier.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by jhildebrand View Post
        It may be a passer's league to get you to the PO's.

        But the reality is the teams in the PO's right now 3 of 4 at a minimum can run the ball and stop the run.

        Flacco is far from a superior passer. Eli continues to claim he is elite. He is good but not Great. Rodgers, Matt Ryan, Brees are all out of it!

        You have to have the D in this league which is precisely why Fox is a great hire. Let's hope we build that D line out!
        I would say Eli is elite
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        • #34
          Originally posted by canadiansbronco View Post
          I would say Eli is elite
          Aye the way hes been playing, the comes backs... OH and he has a ring.
          Brady, rodgers, brees, peyton, eli, big ben rivers
          and then theres everyone else

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Crazy8 View Post
            Everyone knows that.
            This is where I stopped.......I am not big on "rude".......

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            • #36
              Originally posted by CanDB View Post
              This is where I stopped.......I am not big on "rude".......
              I wasn't trying to be rude. Everyone knows that Tebow needs to improve as a passer. That's a fact. Yes?

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Crazy8 View Post
                I wasn't trying to be rude. Everyone knows that Tebow needs to improve as a passer. That's a fact. Yes?
                I can't edit, which is why I have to continue like this. But why would I be rude to you? You've been nothing but nice to me. If it came across that way, I'm sorry. I definitely didn't mean it that way.

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                • #38
                  SF and BAL's success disprove your assertion.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Crazy8 View Post
                    I can't edit, which is why I have to continue like this. But why would I be rude to you? You've been nothing but nice to me. If it came across that way, I'm sorry. I definitely didn't mean it that way.
                    Sorry bud!!! There are so many "rude" types here, I guess I pushed the button too quick on you. At first it sounded like my whole message about being a passer's league etc. was common knowledge.....as in, why bother to make this thread?

                    Apology accepted?

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by tzinc View Post
                      SF and BAL's success disprove your assertion.
                      Look at the last 10 superbowls. Baltimore defense won 1 of 10? or more..

                      This disproves your assertation?

                      well baltimore was longer and maybe add the steelers in there too but you get what i am saying
                      Last edited by Remedy; 01-16-2012, 02:36 PM.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by tzinc View Post
                        SF and BAL's success disprove your assertion.
                        If you mean me, I disagree partially. They are definitely strong teams that play the old way.....good run game / solid D. But for Baltimore to go further, Flacco needs to pass successfully in my opinion. And if Smith hadn't put together all those passes, New Orleans wins that game. Their D couldn't hold the fort on Brees, as good as it is.

                        It's been the concern about SF all year...if they ever got behind. Smith elevated that team by proving he can throw the ball, and he can rack up the points.....he had to!

                        And sure, there will always be exceptions, but overall, QBs who can pass give you a shot. All I'm saying is, I need to see more consistency out of Tebow's pass game.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by CanDB View Post
                          Sorry bud!!! There are so many "rude" types here, I guess I pushed the button too quick on you. At first it sounded like my whole message about being a passer's league etc. was common knowledge.....as in, why bother to make this thread?

                          Apology accepted?
                          No doubt! I understand exactly where you're coming from. It seems like a lot of people are coming out of the woodwork lately and it's taken it's toll on the message board.

                          We're cool as Canada in January!

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Crazy8 View Post
                            No doubt! I understand exactly where you're coming from. It seems like a lot of people are coming out of the woodwork lately and it's taken it's toll on the message board.

                            We're cool as Canada in January!
                            Up until yesterday that wasn't very 'cool' haha
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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Remedy View Post
                              Up until yesterday that wasn't very 'cool' haha
                              Global warming 1 cold winters 0
                              Well, darn. Thanks for the scoop. :thumb:

                              CanDB, in that case, we're cooler than January in Canada.

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                              • #45
                                Tebow certainly can throw the ball. He still has all the Florida prep passing records as well as something like 20 SEC passing records. Won championships at every level.

                                He's a young QB that was thrust into a situation not set up for efficient passing numbers, but played well enough to get us to the playoffs for the first time in 6 years and won a playoff game.

                                Brady, Manning, Brees none of these guys were world beaters their first year starting. Brees had qb ratings in the 60s-70s his first couple years. Same for Peyton manning, a qb rating in the low 70s won only 3 games and threw 28 ints his rookie year. Brady was a game manager with a mid 80s qb rating. Eli Manning had 4 seasons in the low 70 qb rating territory or lower before he put it together. Alex Smith is a 6th year qb just now coming into his own. Elway had some terrible years. Yet people expect Tebow to be lighting the world on fire when he's throwing it 10-20 times a game. A good chunk of those in bad passing situations like 3rd and long hardly any in good passing situations like first and 10 or second ans short.

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