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  • Dont anyone forget what john Elway brings to the table here, he lost 3 Super Bowls very badly until he was surrounded by players like TD, Smith and Sharp.

    Elway knows what it takes and he knows what Manning needs.

    This is most the anticipated season of Bronco's Football than I can remember since Super Bowl 33....Go Broncos!!

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    • U-T San Diego: Manning no guarantee of stroll to title for Broncos

      Peyton Manning’s creaking across the Heartland to the Broncos doesn’t exactly blow up my kilts. But then, whatever happens in Denver can’t stay in Denver, for reasons that escape my minimum security brain. Everything becomes an overblown dirigible, especially when it comes to their quarterbacks.

      Maybe it’s too much helium and a lack of oxygen.

      John Elway comes out of Stanford, creates a ruckus, goes to Denver and can’t even go to the bathroom without the papers announcing time and volume. Then Tim Tebow becomes the Coloradans’ Messiah. Everybody loves Timmy, but then the hypocritical Elway, now Broncos GM — who along with coach John Fox obviously never liked Tebow in the first place — makes a rich, terribly risky play for Manning. And he ships the Chosen One off to the New York Jets, where Tebow will find no lack of sinners (and probably will have to work hard to find 12 disciples).

      In fact, I wonder aloud if opponents such as the Chargers might have a simpler time preparing for Manning than they would Tebow. No question Manning’s the better quarterback, but you pretty much know what Mr. P. can do and where he’s going to be (if healthy). Tebow is Peyton’s opposite, and there were times last year when he ran defenses into submission.

      Tebow may not start in New York, but Jets opponents must prepare for him. I don’t believe Timmy should start in The League, but he’s a problem. The Broncos have given away an advantage and I can’t say they’ve become more dangerous, because we have no idea how Manning will perform.

      It’s pure speculation. Speculation stinks.

      “All of us in the league don’t know what Tebow is,” Chargers General Manager A.J. Smith says. “What is he going to do? You’re not talking about a traditional football player.

      “Manning’s starting over with new teammates, but we know what he’s going to do, just as we knew what Terry Bradshaw was going to do, and now what Aaron Rodgers is going to do, and teams know what Philip Rivers is going to do.

      “I see no difference at all. Great players can come at any time. It’s still a game of matchups. If Manning is healthy, no question he’s a challenge. But I’m not sure what he’ll be, the old-fashioned, Hall of Fame Manning or somebody with four neck surgeries opening himself up to nerve damage. You go into it saying he’s the Hall of Fame Manning, but you can’t know until he plays. For us, if we don’t have a dominant defense, it won’t mean a thing, because without one we’re not winning a championship no matter who’s quarterbacking the Denver Broncos.”

      Denver, Denver, Denver. I’m sick of Denver and the incredible advantage the rarefied air gives its sports teams. And those gushing that with Manning the Broncos will stroll through the AFC West and onto the Super Bowl are full of it up to their earlobes.

      It isn’t going to be that easy. This isn’t 2008. Manning may be a four-time NFL MVP, but he just turned 36, has had at least three next surgeries (possibly four) and hasn’t thrown a meaningful pass since January 2010. He never was mobile. Elway and Fox don’t even know if he can play.

      Suppose he can. It’s doubtful he’ll be as good. And as far as Super Bowls are concerned, he won one with Indianapolis, and there’s no denying he had far better teams and weapons with the Colts than he’s going to have with the Broncos. Has any great quarterback lost more big games with good teams in his life than Peyton Manning? Can’t think of one.

      And I keep hearing about this tremendous, dominating defense the Broncos have. I’m not going to tell you it’s bad, but including one playoff game, the Broncos gave up 40 or more points five times last year. Great defenses don’t do that; don’t do that if a high school kid is quarterbacking their team.

      I refuse to anoint the Broncos in March, but for that matter I’m not ready to daub oil on any AFC West team. Smith has been very active and appears to have done some nice things in free agency, but the Chargers haven’t played anyone yet, either. And I still haven’t seen Smith acquire the dominant pass rusher or strong safety he so terribly needs — and drafts, as we’ve seen lately, offer no guarantees.

      “If we can build a great offense, score some points and go on long drives, we can keep Manning on the sidelines with his helmet on,” Smith says. “But we’ve got to see him play first.

      “You can’t lose six games in a row like we did last year. Maybe we would have had better backups if I had done a better job. We’ve wasted two years. We have to get off the field. Our defense has been bringing us down. The defense has to rise up for us to have a shot in the division, and I don’t care who’s the quarterback in Denver. We have failed miserably.”

      Not the Broncos. They’ve already cleared cabinet space for the Lombardi Trophy.
      http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/...page=1#article

      Biased much?

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      • I'm not ready to anoint the Broncos the champs of the west just yet either. We have to play the games to find out what we are. The Eagles last year were supposed to be this untouchable team because of all the talent. They fell flat on their faces and the world laughed. We can't let our heads get so big just because we have one of the greatest of all time. He is human and humans do make mistakes.

        This year will probably be a struggle for Manning because he is not used to his surroundings and it might take him 1/2 to 3/4 of the season to find his grove. Next season is the season where I expect great things. The WR's and the O-line will have had time to adjust and the defense will be better as well. I expect to be in the playoffs this year, but to crown us champs is very premature.

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        • If the author was a DR...
          I would call him a quack.

          But since he's a writer..
          I will call him a HACK.
          - Go Broncos 2017 and Beyond! -

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          • Peyton Manning’s creaking across the Heartland to the Broncos doesn’t exactly blow up my kilts. But then, whatever happens in Denver can’t stay in Denver, for reasons that escape my minimum security brain. Everything becomes an overblown dirigible, especially when it comes to their quarterbacks.

            Maybe it’s too much helium and a lack of oxygen.

            John Elway comes out of Stanford, creates a ruckus, goes to Denver and can’t even go to the bathroom without the papers announcing time and volume. Then Tim Tebow becomes the Coloradans’ Messiah. Everybody loves Timmy, but then the hypocritical Elway, now Broncos GM — who along with coach John Fox obviously never liked Tebow in the first place — makes a rich, terribly risky play for Manning. And he ships the Chosen One off to the New York Jets, where Tebow will find no lack of sinners (and probably will have to work hard to find 12 disciples).

            In fact, I wonder aloud if opponents such as the Chargers might have a simpler time preparing for Manning than they would Tebow. No question Manning’s the better quarterback, but you pretty much know what Mr. P. can do and where he’s going to be (if healthy). Tebow is Peyton’s opposite, and there were times last year when he ran defenses into submission.

            Tebow may not start in New York, but Jets opponents must prepare for him. I don’t believe Timmy should start in The League, but he’s a problem. The Broncos have given away an advantage and I can’t say they’ve become more dangerous, because we have no idea how Manning will perform.

            It’s pure speculation. Speculation stinks.

            “All of us in the league don’t know what Tebow is,” Chargers General Manager A.J. Smith says. “What is he going to do? You’re not talking about a traditional football player.

            “Manning’s starting over with new teammates, but we know what he’s going to do, just as we knew what Terry Bradshaw was going to do, and now what Aaron Rodgers is going to do, and teams know what Philip Rivers is going to do.

            “I see no difference at all. Great players can come at any time. It’s still a game of matchups. If Manning is healthy, no question he’s a challenge. But I’m not sure what he’ll be, the old-fashioned, Hall of Fame Manning or somebody with four neck surgeries opening himself up to nerve damage. You go into it saying he’s the Hall of Fame Manning, but you can’t know until he plays. For us, if we don’t have a dominant defense, it won’t mean a thing, because without one we’re not winning a championship no matter who’s quarterbacking the Denver Broncos.”

            Denver, Denver, Denver. I’m sick of Denver and the incredible advantage the rarefied air gives its sports teams. And those gushing that with Manning the Broncos will stroll through the AFC West and onto the Super Bowl are full of it up to their earlobes.

            It isn’t going to be that easy. This isn’t 2008. Manning may be a four-time NFL MVP, but he just turned 36, has had at least three next surgeries (possibly four) and hasn’t thrown a meaningful pass since January 2010. He never was mobile. Elway and Fox don’t even know if he can play.

            Suppose he can. It’s doubtful he’ll be as good. And as far as Super Bowls are concerned, he won one with Indianapolis, and there’s no denying he had far better teams and weapons with the Colts than he’s going to have with the Broncos. Has any great quarterback lost more big games with good teams in his life than Peyton Manning? Can’t think of one.And I keep hearing about this tremendous, dominating defense the Broncos have. I’m not going to tell you it’s bad, but including one playoff game, the Broncos gave up 40 or more points five times last year. Great defenses don’t do that; don’t do that if a high school kid is quarterbacking their team.

            I refuse to anoint the Broncos in March, but for that matter I’m not ready to daub oil on any AFC West team. Smith has been very active and appears to have done some nice things in free agency, but the Chargers haven’t played anyone yet, either. And I still haven’t seen Smith acquire the dominant pass rusher or strong safety he so terribly needs — and drafts, as we’ve seen lately, offer no guarantees.

            “If we can build a great offense, score some points and go on long drives, we can keep Manning on the sidelines with his helmet on,” Smith says. “But we’ve got to see him play first.

            “You can’t lose six games in a row like we did last year. Maybe we would have had better backups if I had done a better job. We’ve wasted two years. We have to get off the field. Our defense has been bringing us down. The defense has to rise up for us to have a shot in the division, and I don’t care who’s the quarterback in Denver. We have failed miserably.”

            Not the Broncos. They’ve already cleared cabinet space for the Lombardi Trophy


            I can think of a qb who has lost a few big games with good teams around him and he doesn't have a ring---Rivers

            I think this guy has a case of jealousy
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            • What we've essentially got here is a 3YO kid trying to make it seem like the new toy his friend got isn't really superior to his own. But the reason he goes on and on and on about it... is because he knows it almost certainly is. I'm not saying we should be clearing space for trophies before games have been played, I'm just saying this article is a little obvious.
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              • No real Bronco fans think we're a shoe-in for anything just yet. You have to play the games, and anything can happen. What Manning brings though is a great chance to win week in and week out. But I really don't think the majority of Broncos fans think we're a 100% lock to win anything, yet alone the Super Bowl. The media coverage of this is really starting to get annoying. I mean, everyone was hyped for the Eagles last year and look how they did.

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                • Its funny, SD talking about titles. They don't know what a title is let alone a loyal fan base.
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                  • Originally posted by Atwnbroncfan View Post
                    Its funny, SD talking about titles. They don't know what a title is let alone a loyal fan base.
                    a broncos fan talking smack in GD where its safe, how surprising!

                    i have read a lot of this guys articles over the years, he is pretty bad. but hes not as biased as this article suggests, i have seen him be pretty critical about the chargers as well.

                    i do think you guys are the favorites to win the division but its not going to come automatically like many of you apparently believe.

                    like it or not nick makes some good points in that article.
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                    • How old is the guy that wrote that? 14? Manning has won more games WITH MEDIOCRE TEAMS than any QB in history. His playoff struggles relate to that same phenomena. He could get marginal teams TO the playoffs, but couldn't necessarily beat good and balanced teams IN the playoffs. That's why it's important for Elway and Fox to continue to focus on the defense and the running game. Manning will take care of the passing game.

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                      • Originally posted by berlownacyo7s View Post
                        I mean, everyone was hyped for the Eagles last year and look how they did.
                        I think what really matters is whether the locker room buys into the hype or not. If anyone starts feeling like we're guaranteed anything just because PM is here, this season could get messy quick. But I'm pretty confident that the guys we have on our roster and the guys we have in the front office won't fall into that trap... at least, I hope so.
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                        • Originally posted by baphamet View Post
                          a broncos fan talking smack in GD where its safe, how surprising!

                          i have read a lot of this guys articles over the years, he is pretty bad. but hes not as biased as this article suggests, i have seen him be pretty critical about the chargers as well.

                          i do think you guys are the favorites to win the division but its not going to come automatically like many of you apparently believe.

                          like it or not nick makes some good points in that article.
                          I never said getting the division was going to be easy. Chiefs are going to give us a big run, and I wouldn't be surprised if the Chargers did too.

                          Doesn't surprise me that guy has had bad articles over the years. This article just seems like sour grapes, and coping skills because for the first time in awhile the Chargers are no longer the favorites to win the division.

                          But what I said is true, no titles, and Qualcom (sp) always has tons of opposing team fans.
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                          • Originally posted by Steamboat7 View Post
                            How old is the guy that wrote that? 14? Manning has won more games WITH MEDIOCRE TEAMS than any QB in history. His playoff struggles relate to that same phenomena. He could get marginal teams TO the playoffs, but couldn't necessarily beat good and balanced teams IN the playoffs. That's why it's important for Elway and Fox to continue to focus on the defense and the running game. Manning will take care of the passing game.
                            to be fair manning actually has had some good teams. good receivers, good TE, a good running back. he has had it all.

                            hes even had good defenses at times with good players. his playoff struggles does not relate to that IMO

                            when you are dominating in the regular season then lose to a team you are supposed to beat in the first playoff game, that is just a choke.

                            happens to even the best QB's but to manning it happens more than usual.
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                            • He made a one win team a serious contender.

                              It's ignorant bias to think he won't make an already almost serious contender a favorite.

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                              • Originally posted by Atwnbroncfan View Post
                                I never said getting the division was going to be easy. Chiefs are going to give us a big run, and I wouldn't be surprised if the Chargers did too.

                                Doesn't surprise me that guy has had bad articles over the years. This article just seems like sour grapes, and coping skills because for the first time in awhile the Chargers are no longer the favorites to win the division.

                                But what I said is true, no titles, and Qualcom (sp) always has tons of opposing team fans.
                                yeah i could say a lot of things about the broncos here in GD that is true but i will save it for smack, where it belongs.

                                in fact, not sure if this thread belongs here either.

                                by the way, i was generally speaking, i didn't mean to imply you (in particular) think they will run away with the division.
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