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  • Freyaka
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    Originally posted by japfaff View Post
    he still has a rebuilt neck.... but he is much more likely to be taken out with a blind side hit than he was in 2010. i know you hope that he is 100% but the fact is that we just will not know until he takes that first hit. But either way Heanne sucks and a healthy PM isnt going to help our back up QB situation
    Here maybe this will clear up your confusion.
    http://www.suntimes.com/sports/footb...-stronger.html

    Fans hear the words “neck fusion” and wonder why Peyton Manning is even considering playing again, fearful he’ll risk a career-ending injury — or worse — the next time he takes a hit.

    But safety isn’t Manning’s issue, several spine specialists said. Arm strength is.

    Manning’s surgically repaired neck will be able to take a hit just fine once the fusion is healed, with the bone actually stronger than others in his neck. Nerves are delicate, however, and only time will tell if they’ll recover enough for the 35-year-old four-time NFL MVP to be the quarterback he once was.

    “His risk really is very low,” said Dr. Robert S. Bray Jr., who has worked with NHL star Sidney Crosby and whose DISC Sports & Spine Center provides medical services for the U.S. Olympic team.

    “If I was a team, I’d ask, ‘Did (the fusion) heal? Do you have a CAT scan that showed it healed? Is the rest of neck in pretty good shape?’” Bray asked. “If those two answers are yes, then it gets down to, ‘OK, get out on the field and show me you can perform,’ because it will only get better from here with time.”

    Manning missed the entire 2011 season with a damaged nerve that caused weakness in his right arm and required multiple neck surgeries, including a single-level fusion in September. He has brushed off questions about retirement, insisting that — after parting ways with the Indianapolis Colts on Wednesday — he still wants to play.

    And there’s no risk to him doing so, say several doctors in the field who have not examined Manning. Dr. Robert Watkins, Manning’s surgeon, is not commenting on the quarterback, his office said Thursday.

    Manning had at least two procedures between February 2010 and September 2011 to relieve pressure on a pinched nerve, the cause of the weakness in his throwing arm. When those didn’t work, Watkins did the fusion, removing the troublesome soft disk tissue between two vertebrae and fusing the bones together.

    The fusion normally takes four to six months to heal and, much like any other broken bone, it becomes even stronger afterward. But just as someone who tries playing with a still-broken arm risks additional injury, so did Manning if he’d returned before the fusion was solid.

    But Manning was “working with the best,” Bray said, and there’s no way Watkins would have allowed the quarterback to play without being certain the fusion had healed. Watkins announced Feb. 2 that he had cleared Manning to play football again.

    “In the field of spine surgery and professional athletes, we have a fairly strong consensus that if you have a one-level cervical fusion, you can recover and go back and safely play,” said Dr. William Tobler, a neurosurgeon at the Mayfield Clinic in Cincinnati who has done four fusions on NFL players, including four-time Pro Bowl linebacker Chris Spielman, all of whom returned to the field.

    “If the fusion heals, the neck is stable so, presumably, you can take all the hitting and impact.”

    Then it’s a matter of the nerve regenerating.

    “Nerves are just wires and the muscle is where the wire plugs into,” said Dr. Charles Bush-Joseph of Midwest Orthopaedics at Rush University, team doctors for the Chicago Bulls and Chicago White Sox. “Obviously he’s got all the intelligence and the skill set. It’s a matter of strength. Can he get his arm to do what his mind and eyes want him to do?”

    And that takes time.

    Unlike a sponge, which springs right back after someone stops pressing down on it, a nerve is more like a piece of cooked spaghetti, Tobler said. Press on it, and the indentation remains after the finger is lifted.

    “It isn’t like a light switch,” Bray said. “But if you get the pressure off, then the nerve kicks in progressively over time.”

    While there’s no guarantee Manning will ever fully recover, Bray said nerves tend to heal more and for a longer period of time when patients are young and healthy.

    Manning said Wednesday he is not completely recovered, but insisted he’s closer than ever.

    “I’m throwing it pretty well. I still have some progress to make, but I’ve come a long way,” Manning said. “That’s been the most fun part is being back out there on the field. I’m doing better, I continue to work hard and hope to continue making progress.”

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  • broncolee
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    Originally posted by kevlar441 View Post
    Who says it is not his job? Where is that written?

    At 10 million a year AND given that he supposedly is having a heavy hand in scripting the playbook, one would think that explaining his reasoning for why he believes in doing certain things in certain situations might be part of the new responsibility thrust upon him. Especially in a season where even a few missed plays could have a huge effect on the Bronco's playoff chances.

    If he is working so diligently with the receivers and the front line to ensure cohesion, why not include the backups? What do these guys talk about on the sidelines? Their stock portfolios?

    We are not talking about someone replacing him after he retires. We are talking about someone going in to replace him if he has to come out of a game, or miss a game or two. How unreasonable is that under the current circumstances? The question as to how much of a priority the FO is placing on preparing for that contingency is also posed.
    The quarterback coach should be taking responsibility for making sure the back ups are prepared to go into a game, if needed.

    It's not for Manning to go out of his way to teach them how to play.

    That being said, I'm sure he is willing to answer questions. McCoy has already stated that he keeps encouraging the other players to ask Manning questions.

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  • Freyaka
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    Originally posted by japfaff View Post
    he still has a rebuilt neck.... but he is much more likely to be taken out with a blind side hit than he was in 2010. i know you hope that he is 100% but the fact is that we just will not know until he takes that first hit. But either way Heanne sucks and a healthy PM isnt going to help our back up QB situation
    Except he's not.....Dr's who have performed the exact same surgery on different patients have come out and said his neck is going to be stronger than before because of the way it was fused. He's no more likely to get injuried because of his neck than any other NFL player. I would find several of the articles but I only have a minute left on my break, I am sure someone else can provide you the proof to straighten out your incorrect information.

    Don't listen to the ESPN Media machine, just because it's their talking point doesn't make it valid at all.

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  • kevlar441
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    Originally posted by Mantheyman View Post
    I guess Osweiler will have to learn by OS-mosis!

    Sorry, couldn't help myself on that one. LOL
    THANKS! (Just spit my coffee all over my keyboard.)

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  • Mantheyman
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    Originally posted by broncolee View Post
    It's not Manning's job to be a mentor. It's the responsibility of the other quarterbacks to learn by watching and listening.

    I don't want Manning distracted by mentoring. I would hope that he is solely focused on being prepared to play not concerned about anyone else being prepared to replace him after he retires.

    I guess Osweiler will have to learn by OS-mosis!

    Sorry, couldn't help myself on that one. LOL

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  • kevlar441
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    Originally posted by broncolee View Post
    It's not Manning's job to be a mentor. It's the responsibility of the other quarterbacks to learn by watching and listening.

    I don't want Manning distracted by mentoring. I would hope that he is solely focused on being prepared to play not concerned about anyone else being prepared to replace him after he retires.
    Who says it is not his job? Where is that written?

    At 10 million a year AND given that he supposedly is having a heavy hand in scripting the playbook, one would think that explaining his reasoning for why he believes in doing certain things in certain situations might be part of the new responsibility thrust upon him. Especially in a season where even a few missed plays could have a huge effect on the Bronco's playoff chances.

    If he is working so diligently with the receivers and the front line to ensure cohesion, why not include the backups? What do these guys talk about on the sidelines? Their stock portfolios?

    We are not talking about someone replacing him after he retires. We are talking about someone going in to replace him if he has to come out of a game, or miss a game or two. How unreasonable is that under the current circumstances? The question as to how much of a priority the FO is placing on preparing for that contingency is also posed.
    Last edited by kevlar441; 07-09-2012, 08:21 AM.

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  • broncolee
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    Originally posted by kevlar441 View Post
    Here is a followup point I would like to make:

    When Elway hired Manning (at 10 mill a year) and then introduces Peyton, he basically said he would like to ensure that Manning (not Elway) goes down as the GOAT. (Greatest Of All Time.) However, as much as I like Manning, my understanding is that Peyton has never shown that sort of mentoring benevolence toward any of his backups in INDY.

    Are we getting a "new Manning"? Because if he has adopted that "new attitude" he could benefit this team for many more years than just what is on his current contract (and what he is currently being payed for).

    Imagine 8 years down the road - and It is BOTH Elway and Peyton on the sidelines.

    That would truly be a Colt growing up to be a Bronco!

    (Plus - together they have enough money to buy this team!)
    It's not Manning's job to be a mentor. It's the responsibility of the other quarterbacks to learn by watching and listening.

    I don't want Manning distracted by mentoring. I would hope that he is solely focused on being prepared to play not concerned about anyone else being prepared to replace him after he retires.

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  • Mantheyman
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    Originally posted by OrangeCrush2012 View Post
    How is it unfortunate that a 6'7, 242 pound quarterback with a cannon, that was drafted in the third round, will get an opportunity before a 6'3 220 pound noodle arm that wasn't even drafted? Enlighten me? LOL
    Actually, Osweiler was taken in the 2nd round.

    Just sayin...:thumb:

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  • #24 Next Champ
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    Originally posted by OrangeCrush2012 View Post
    How is it unfortunate that a 6'7, 242 pound quarterback with a cannon, that was drafted in the third round, will get an opportunity before a 6'3 220 pound noodle arm that wasn't even drafted? Enlighten me? LOL
    He's just saying it's unfortunate for Weber...who's not a noodle arm btw

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  • OrangeCrush2012
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    Originally posted by BroncoSexyDaddy View Post
    He will be like Tom Brandstater imo,never getting a chance to prove himself.Its very unforunate that Osweiler will get his chance before Weber.

    How is it unfortunate that a 6'7, 242 pound quarterback with a cannon, that was drafted in the third round, will get an opportunity before a 6'3 220 pound noodle arm that wasn't even drafted? Enlighten me? LOL

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  • Mantheyman
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    Originally posted by Atwnbroncfan View Post
    An UDFA who gets a future contract after the season isn't much of an endorsement.
    So purposely keeping him from playing last pre-season in hopes of sneaking him on the practice squad isn't much of an endorsement? What was the point of signing him last off-season, then? We already had 3 QB's on the roster and Fox even publicly said that they weren't going to add a 4th QB, at that time. Whether it's as a back up or potential Kurt Warner 2.0, the FO obviously sees something in him that many others don't.

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  • 100%Broncoholic
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    I'm waiting to see Adam Weber remove his mask and show that he is really Ingle Martin hence the awesomeness!

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  • kevlar441
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    Imagine

    Here is a followup point I would like to make:

    When Elway hired Manning (at 10 mill a year) and then introduces Peyton, he basically said he would like to ensure that Manning (not Elway) goes down as the GOAT. (Greatest Of All Time.) However, as much as I like Manning, my understanding is that Peyton has never shown that sort of mentoring benevolence toward any of his backups in INDY.

    Are we getting a "new Manning"? Because if he has adopted that "new attitude" he could benefit this team for many more years than just what is on his current contract (and what he is currently being payed for).

    Imagine 8 years down the road - and It is BOTH Elway and Peyton on the sidelines.

    That would truly be a Colt growing up to be a Bronco!

    (Plus - together they have enough money to buy this team!)
    Last edited by kevlar441; 07-07-2012, 02:08 PM.

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  • kevlar441
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    Here is my case for Adam, first. Then for doing things differently than Indy did, second.

    Adam Weber has been on the Bronco’s team (albeit the practice squad) for a year now. He should know the intended system as well or better than any other QB. He was also Eric Decker’s roommate in college at Minnesota.

    "While at Minnesota he finished his career ranked third all-time in the Big Ten Conference for passing yards (10,917) and passing attempts (1,594) and fourth all-time with 909 completions. His 72 passing touchdowns rank 10th all-time in the Big Ten. He set a conference record for consecutive starts (50) by a quarterback which tied the all-time league record for all positions."

    This guy can obviously throw the ball (at the college level), is durable and should have a tremendous rapport with our #1 receiver.


    Now, when it comes to Indy, Peyton Manning chose to have vertebrae in his neck fused to regain arm strength. This was an attempt to extend his career not because of a career threatening neck injury. However, what Indy found out (the hard way) was that the drop off from Peyton to his successor was catastrophic. Was this entirely a function of Peyton simply being that superior or did it also have something to do with lack of foresight in the Indianapolis Front Office and “putting all your eggs in one basket”.

    The Broncos enter 2012 faced with 1 of the 2 toughest schedules in the league. Even a few lost downs, in one or two games, may make a huge difference in the outcome of the season. Should Denver do things differently than Indy did, in terms of scheme, prep time and priorities with Denver’s backup QBs?

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  • Atwnbroncfan
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    Originally posted by kevlar441 View Post
    I'm not sure how to take that. It seems to me that it's a bigger endorsement than Brady Quinn got. Obviously the FO did it for a reason.
    Quinn cost money Weber doesn't. Weber is a body in camp who will have to fight to the death for a roster spot. I'd bet on Hanie before I'd bet on Weber. But thats just me.

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