Post game rants --- Chicago -- Pre-season

[speardog]

It feels like 95% of the people on this board are crazy stoked. And with good reason. However I understand as much as anyone that its just the preseason...

But to be honest I'm still concerned...

Clearly Manning isn't 100%. And that is to be expected. To be honest I dont even see him as 90%, and I dont think we'll see that for a long time. He's been out of the game for a while.. he'll get there. But it will take time to gel.. What concerns me is.. Will we have the fire power to keep up with offenses led by Drew Brees, and Tom Brady? And lets face it. Rivers will have a chip on his shoulder, and thats when those QB's are most dangerous..

Not only will our offense have to click and fire on all cylinders.. We need our D to consistently perform like it did last night.. each and every week... And for Denver? Thats rare to come by..


I'm excited guys.. but not comfortable. Not comfortable one bit.

So you can tell Manning is below 90% from his 7 passes?

[karransk]

I'm a diehard NE fan but I respect PM and his abilities .. considering that he was our chief rival QB for so many years, our nemesis, it is not hard to find people who really hate PM in and around Boston. However, even those who hate him the most certainly laud his abilities and it's more fear than hate, as they are never comfortable whenever 18 steps onto the field.

I've watched a number of games over the years and I did watch the opening series in his debut. To me, I couldn't really spot a difference between the Manning of old and the one I watched. I could see the same looks (the way he gets the defensive players to move off their line) and the spot on accurate throws. What misses he had, I would ascribe more to communication and given time, his receivers are sure to be in sync.

Even the interception couldn't really be called that and if you watch the play in slow mo, you can see it was a perfect throw and very few QBs would be able to make that accurate a throw, except for maybe Brees, Brady, Rivers, Eli and of course, Rodgers. These are his main contenders and the one likely to give him some trouble.

You guys are lucky to have PM and you should thank someone everyday (maybe John) that he's there.

It feels like 95% of the people on this board are crazy stoked. And with good reason. However I understand as much as anyone that its just the preseason...

But to be honest I'm still concerned...

Clearly Manning isn't 100%. And that is to be expected. To be honest I dont even see him as 90%, and I dont think we'll see that for a long time. He's been out of the game for a while.. he'll get there. But it will take time to gel.. What concerns me is.. Will we have the fire power to keep up with offenses led by Drew Brees, and Tom Brady? And lets face it. Rivers will have a chip on his shoulder, and thats when those QB's are most dangerous..

Not only will our offense have to click and fire on all cylinders.. We need our D to consistently perform like it did last night.. each and every week... And for Denver? Thats rare to come by..


I'm excited guys.. but not comfortable. Not comfortable one bit.

[PhoenixDread]

Ball and Moreno haven't shown me anything that says they're gonna be any better than they've always been. Ball can run but he's just not good enough. Moreno still runs like he's engulfed in flames looking for a pool to jump in. He could be so much better if he would learn some patience.

Right now I could care less who gets cut.

[Peyton&Eli_fan]

I think Manning looked good for 1 series after 19 months or whatever it's been. Who knows how he would've looked if he had time to get into rhythm.

[Denver Mike]

I think it is fair to say any quarterback who makes it at the NFL level has that drive and fire..

except maybe orton.. he has about as much passion as a sloth.... but that's neither here nor there.

To be honest, I think Orton had the physical potential.

Nobody can deny that when he was on fire he was on fire.. Granted it lasted about as long as a fire on a match and when he got wet he could never get lit again..

But if he had a fraction of the leadership Manning or even Tebow has, the man would be a starter in this league. Imagine Orton's skillset with a little heart in a good system.

[Remedy]

PM looked good dont get me wrong. He looked about 80-85%...

And still.. an 80 to 85% Peyton Manning is better than most the QB's out there..

And to be honest I dont think he's 90% because he clearly didn't look comfortable to me. He planted his feet and did his job yes. But some of the throws looked a bit rushed, almost as if he had a slight fear of being hit. Which I dont blame him at the slightest. He just seemed not all there yet. I think he'll get it, don't get me wrong.. his touch is good.. The rest just seemed a wee bit shakey

just my two cents

I just find it hard to put a % or quantify something like that... but It should also be noted it was pre season game #1 with a new team.. after not playing for a year. I think by game #3 we will have a better idea of the Peyton we will see on the field.

[Remedy]

And what's the point in saying Rivers has a chip, as if Manning doesn't?

I think it is fair to say any quarterback who makes it at the NFL level has that drive and fire..

except maybe orton.. he has about as much passion as a sloth.... but that's neither here nor there.

[Denver Mike]

PM looked good dont get me wrong. He looked about 80-85%...

And still.. an 80 to 85% Peyton Manning is better than most the QB's out there..

And to be honest I dont think he's 90% because he clearly didn't look comfortable to me. He planted his feet and did his job yes. But some of the throws looked a bit rushed, almost as if he had a slight fear of being hit. Which I dont blame him at the slightest. He just seemed not all there yet. I think he'll get it, don't get me wrong.. his touch is good.. The rest just seemed a wee bit shakey

just my two cents

[BroncoFanNC]

And what's the point in saying Rivers has a chip, as if Manning doesn't?

[PMfan]

What makes you think that PM is not evet at 90%? Just curious.

[Remedy]

Watching Manning last night actually put most of those worries to rest for me. I can understand the concern but I don't think it's necessary. We can debate the interception till our face is blue but I really think in the grand scheme of things it is not a big deal.

that throw to Decker to convert that third down was beautiful, his touch was still there. I don't think his health is a concern and he has a run game he can lean on.

add onto that you mention QBs with a chip on their shoulder... don't you think manning has that fire in his belly too. year off football the game he loves so much. Cut by his former team. People saying he will never be able to do it again.

I just dont see any red flags or signs that we should be worried.

[HavoK471]

Of course you aren't the only one, we're probably all a little concerned. It was just nice to see the team perform well even during a preseason game.

To be honest I much prefer this positive outlook i'm seeing on the boards. It's a complete change from the constant negativity and fear we seemed to have been producing the past couple of seasons.

[Spart]

I think you're on the right track. If the current OL from left to right is officially: Clady, Beadles, Walton, Kuper, Franklin, I imagine Franklin's move would be a push to have the line look something like the following:

1. Clady, Beadles, Kuper, Franklin, Clark/Harris
2. Clady, Kuper, Walton, Franklin, Clark/Harris

Generally, guard is easier to play than tackle in basic pass and run blocking; we're not talking about pulls and things like that. I hear people are down on Beadles and Walton but high on Chris Clark and Franklin. Beadles' ability as a good pulling run blocker is less useful in an Indianapolis style offense.

That said, if Kuper isn't at 100%, it's a possibility Franklin is working to take Kuper's spot at RG, with Kuper as a back up until later in the season. In this theory, the OL would look like this until Kuper is healthy later in the season:

-Clady, Beadles, Walton, Franklin, Clark/Harris
and then this when Kuper is 100%:
-Clady, Beadles, Walton, Kuper, Franklin

Right now it's all just theory though.

[PhoenixDread]

If Cutler plays and completes a pass to Marshall, people would cry that they're rubbing the trades in our faces.

I mean after all, they are nothing but whiny scumbags with mental issues and we just have to hate them instead of moving on like they've done. Right?

[Denver Mike]

Am I the only one still a little concerned???

It feels like 95% of the people on this board are crazy stoked. And with good reason. However I understand as much as anyone that its just the preseason...

But to be honest I'm still concerned...

Clearly Manning isn't 100%. And that is to be expected. To be honest I dont even see him as 90%, and I dont think we'll see that for a long time. He's been out of the game for a while.. he'll get there. But it will take time to gel.. What concerns me is.. Will we have the fire power to keep up with offenses led by Drew Brees, and Tom Brady? And lets face it. Rivers will have a chip on his shoulder, and thats when those QB's are most dangerous..

Not only will our offense have to click and fire on all cylinders.. We need our D to consistently perform like it did last night.. each and every week... And for Denver? Thats rare to come by..


I'm excited guys.. but not comfortable. Not comfortable one bit.