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  • johnlimburg
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    Originally posted by Captain_23 View Post
    BTW, my bad John, he had two good runs lol. thanks for the CP though.
    So what you are saying that you have to have big runs in order for it to be a good run. So a guy you supported in Knowshon Moreno and like has only had 7 good runs in his entire career ? You can't take every run for a big play and when you get in space it is a talent to be able to make the most of it. And just for the count of big run plays between Knowshon Moreno and Ronnie Hillman.

    Knowshon Moreno: 7 carries over 20 yards on 474 career attempts

    Ronnie Hillman: 2 carries over 20 yards on 31 career attempts

    But I would say Hillman had more then 2 good runs. I think most people can understand that. He hit the hole hard a couple times and got down hill creating contact. Had the cut back run and two carries over 20 yards. As I said he is playing tenative at times but he is a rookie getting his first real bulk of carries. You have to be happy with is being shown by him right now.

    “oh yeah, btw. what Im saying is, besides his two 20+ yard runs, yes those are the only two good runs. Im not saying he has to break big gains. I rather have a back that powers his way to a 5-7 yard carriy ( Mcgahee) every 2-3 runs, than a back that breaks a 20 yarder every once so often. he has had some carries and he managaes to break 2 twenty yarders against a defense that is regarded as the worst defense in like 40 years ( I could be a little off)

    So excuse me, if i want to see more of the kid before Im ready to crown the man.”
    You are wrong. He had more then two good runs. Two were explosive and two stood out but that is what is wrong with so many fans. They only think the flashy ones are the good ones. What about the cut back play where it would have been a loss and he turned it into a 3 yard gain. No other back on the roster could have done that. That is a good play. Plus he had a few others where he had no blocking and some where he could have got more out of it and some where he hit the hole well. But overall he was good.

    And yes that defense is piss poor. That is the truth however he did make the plays and it seems the people who tried to take away from them after the game seem to want to look for anything to take it away. Given they are all Knowshon Moreno supporters but still. You can only do what you can against what you play against.

    And I am not crowning him the man. Just giving him some props that he has earned. He had a good day running the ball. He hit some big plays for us. He is looking better then expected in pass protection and if he is used in the receiving game he could make some plays also like he showed against Oakland. It is good that he is starting to have an impact and over the next few weeks, starting against the Bengals hopefully that contiues.

    I saw the catch, Im 26 years old and have been either playing or watching the game of football since i was 8 years old. Now I admit, I can maybe over-exaggerate at times, but by no means, does Hillman look wayyyy, wayyy, wayy faster than Moreno, especially for a dude as tiny as he is. Moreno has had plenty of big catches, so that big catch in Oakland isnt anything to right home about. Moreno's screen pass and catch against Seattle a couple years back was by far and away more impressive than Hillman's. As far as Tebow is concerned. dont make stuff up. I have never been on the Tebow band wagon. I may have said, something like " good job Tebow", or "thats how u supposed to throw the ball Tebow" when he made an occasional good play, but I never ever, ever, posted anything about that guy being the Answer or whatever you trying to claim I said about that bum of a QB.
    It means nothing for how long you have been a football fan. It didn't seem to matter in the past when you have said ridiculous things. And I am not saying Moreno has not made plays for this team. He most certainly has. I was a big fan of the guy after his rookie season. I felt like he could be special. Then he showed flashes of it against the Kansas City Cheifs in 2010. But for the most part he has been disapointing and that is the reason why he has fallen out of good graces with the Broncos coaching staff.

    And I don't even think Moreno is a bad player. I think he could still help the team and I think he could still be a good player in the NFL. The guy loves football and brings energy. Hopefully he can work his way into the coaches good books and it will probably take injuries for that to happen. In saying this he just isn't reliable enough and it will be tough for him to do this.

    And I didn't make anything up. I didn't even say your opinion of Tebow was that. Just that that was the case for so many Bronco fans. I never said you and I didn't actually know your take on Tebow. But I really don't see the need to refer to players as bums or trash or useless and things like that. Talk about them but leave the names out. I just don't think that makes someone sound like they have a clue of what they are talking about.
    Last edited by johnlimburg; 11-04-2012, 03:53 AM.

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  • japfaff
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    Originally posted by RockyMtnConvert View Post
    Just give this kid time, he looks like CJ Spiller did in his first year, tentative, hesitating.... Then, the light went on, he just he's and the Endzone is possible every time....
    I dont see it.....Hillman isnt that kinda speed. He is quick, and he can do things but I cant see him ever being a big role player cause the dude is 180lbs

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  • Captain_23
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    Originally posted by Broncoboy6 View Post
    I love the one against the Chargers when Tebow threw it to Knowshon, and he took it and ran over the S for a TD. Then proceeded to tease himself about the bicycle incident.
    yeah that was a great one too. Im not saying Moreno is an all world beater, but folks act like that man has never made any big plays for this team.

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  • Broncoboy6
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    Originally posted by Captain_23
    Moreno's screen pass and catch against Seattle a couple years back was by far and away more impressive
    I love the one against the Chargers when Tebow threw it to Knowshon, and he took it and ran over the S for a TD. Then proceeded to tease himself about the bicycle incident.
    Last edited by Broncoboy6; 10-29-2012, 04:31 PM.

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  • underrated29
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    Originally posted by Rarelyoffended View Post
    Spiller could be the best all around back in the NFL if he didn't have to split carries with fred jackson
    Im not sure best, but absolutely in the discussion for top 5 or so.


    As for the thread topic. I like you enthousiasm but our boy is not anywhere near spiller status yet. Spiller is bigger, stronger and faster. And proven.

    Ronnie did have a great game though, it was nice to see him get some good reps and get moving, then just coming in for a few plays or 3rd downs. Sure, it was against the saints bad defense, but so what. He still produced and that is exactly what we want to see. Spiller, no not even close, not by a long shot, but he is getting closer to being a great player for us each week. His running style actually reminds me more of reggie bush his first year or two in houston. Still a bit unsure and tentative. The saints were the perfect team to let him get a bunch of reps.

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  • Hawaii007
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    Originally posted by Captain_23 View Post
    lmbo.. you need to stop it. No the hell he isnt. Tatum was faster looking on the field in pads, and Tatum was faster on the clock (4.3 forty) Tatum was a poor mans Clinton Portis. Much like Clinton, everytime Tatum Bell touched the rock he was good for at least 5 yards. He had the potential for big runs on every play.

    I remember watching Portis though. It seemed like everytime Portis took the handoff I had to hold on to my seat. The man always looked as if he was shot out of a cannon, that is until he went to Washington and Joe Gibbs made up put on 25 lbs and he lost all his speed.
    I don't know where you got the 4.3 number...and but I guess .03 seconds is faster, so I was wrong in that regard.

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/foo...ers/36411.html

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft/combine...012/sort/speed

    However, I guess Bell is a prime example of how speed is not the most important attribute for a NFL caliber RB, and I hope Hillman ends up having a more productive career in the long run for the Broncos. It is amazing to think about the carousel of RBs on the Broncos after TD who were initially productive, but after being cut loose, mostly ended up being below-average. I wonder how things would have been if Shanahan just stuck to one RB and drafted for other positions.

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  • Captain_23
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    BTW, my bad John, he had two good runs lol. thanks for the CP though.

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  • Captain_23
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    Originally posted by Hawaii007 View Post
    IMO HIllman is way faster than Tatum Bell. Not sure about Spiller, but Charles is definitely bigger than Hillman. It was nice to see someone actually get to the outside on a sweep play finally.
    lmbo.. you need to stop it. No the hell he isnt. Tatum was faster looking on the field in pads, and Tatum was faster on the clock (4.3 forty) Tatum was a poor mans Clinton Portis. Much like Clinton, everytime Tatum Bell touched the rock he was good for at least 5 yards. He had the potential for big runs on every play.

    I remember watching Portis though. It seemed like everytime Portis took the handoff I had to hold on to my seat. The man always looked as if he was shot out of a cannon, that is until he went to Washington and Joe Gibbs made up put on 25 lbs and he lost all his speed.

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  • Hawaii007
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    IMO HIllman is way faster than Tatum Bell. Not sure about Spiller, but Charles is definitely bigger than Hillman. It was nice to see someone actually get to the outside on a sweep play finally.

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  • eddieroyal
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    i said hillman look more like a jamaal charles..

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  • jM916
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    I didn't even notice Hillman had 86 yards... Didn't seem like it. He seemed to bounce around to much, but off of 14 carries averaging 6.1 average. Not bad at all.

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  • johnlimburg
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    It is great to see Hillman show what so many thought he could do for this team when he was drafted. He has shown some great flashes early on in this season and has earned that number 2 running back spot. Hopefully he keeps getting better and better.

    I think that some of his earlier carries this season he was playing a little tentative. But his confidence is growing and he will just let his talent show more and more in the coming weeks.

    He is a guy you need to get into the open field and we have seen that in his limited action so far. Look at the catch he made against the Raiders early this season. He had room to move and made people miss to get a big gain.

    In the Saints game he had two carries over 20 yards and that is something that Knowshon Moreno has done just 7 times in his whole NFL career. Hillman adds speed to the offense and if anyone can’t see that then that is just there inability to recognise the obvious. However I wouldn’t say he is as fast as CJ Spiller.

    But one of his runs from the Saints game which shows what people have said is the run designed to the right and the cut back to the left side of the field. Yes it wasn’t a great gain but he turned a no gain play into a 3 yard gain by making people missing and changing the run to the other side. This is the sort of thing he brings to the team and something no other back on the roster can do.

    He has also been good in pass protection when left in there. I think this is why he was held back at the start of the season. I don’t think he was trusted. However after Knowshon Moreno was bad in this area to start the season he got his shot and is showing he can do it. He is not as good as Mcgahee who is doing it great but he is playing well in this area.

    Also his inside running has been surprising. I didn’t think he would be as willing to take on contact as he has. This was also seen in the pre season where he was taking on contact and looking like he has some strength as well.

    Anyway it looks like another very good draft pick by this current front office. It is a great time to be a Broncos fan and the future looks so bright with this team. I think we can go on a real streak over the coming weeks. Its going to be fun.

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  • Captain_23
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    Originally posted by Den615 View Post
    He weighed in at exactly 200lbs at the combine. I could see him being 190 now, but I would be shocked if he has lost 20-25 pounds since entering an NFL weight program.

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    I agree that he will never be a workhorse, but he could be a great back to have in a time share role. My guess is that by the end of the season he and McGahee will be getting a similar amount of touches per game.
    I understand everyone carries weight differently. He maybe 190 but looking at Chris Harris who is listed the same weight at the same height, he just doesnt look 190 anymore. He could have lost weight during the whole month his hammy was bothering him considering he probably could lift weights. His legs look like twiggs and his arms look like tooth picks lololol.

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  • Den615
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    Originally posted by Captain_23 View Post
    He had one good run in which he is lucky the ball went out of bounds while fumbling on his was to his one great run.

    Tatum Bell and CJ Spiller were/are much bigger and wayyy faster than Hillman. There is no comparison. I think they are being generous by listing Hillman at 190lbs. Chris Harris our conerback is listed at 190 at the same height and looks much bigger than Hillman. Hillman looks like he is about 175-180 lbs.
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    He weighed in at exactly 200lbs at the combine. I could see him being 190 now, but I would be shocked if he has lost 20-25 pounds since entering an NFL weight program.

    EDIT:
    I agree that he will never be a workhorse, but he could be a great back to have in a time share role. My guess is that by the end of the season he and McGahee will be getting a similar amount of touches per game.

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  • Captain_23
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    He had one good run in which he is lucky the ball went out of bounds while fumbling on his was to his one great run.

    Tatum Bell and CJ Spiller were/are much bigger and wayyy faster than Hillman. There is no comparison. I think they are being generous by listing Hillman at 190lbs. Chris Harris our conerback is listed at 190 at the same height and looks much bigger than Hillman. Hillman looks like he is about 175-180 lbs.

    Dude is mad small and im not sold and im not booking him as our everydown back once Mcgahee leaves. Hillman will never play a full season getting 20+ touches a game at that size. Rather ita both rushes or receptions.

    I want us to take another back next year via Free agency or draft.

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