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  • #61
    Originally posted by Southstander View Post
    You would be wrong on your guess. My all time favorite is the Duke of Denver John Elway. I just have not the writing in my signature in well over a year.

    Why are you "flabbergasted" that when a team retires a number it should stay retired. To me it takes away the honor of having the number retired. When Montana went to the Chiefs he switched to 19 because Kansas City had already retired 16 for Len Dawson. When the Bruins retired number 7 for Phill Esposito Ray Bourque, who was wearing number at the time, skated out to center ice took of his jersey (revealing one that read 77) and gave to Esposito. There are numerous other cases of Hall of Fame level players that switched team and did not keep their old number because it has been retired.

    Just because I think Mannings amazing, and "Flabbergasted" is a funny word.

    He had his choice of where to go, and he chose Denver. My opinion is that if a number is going to be brought out of retirement, the individual who wants to bring it out of retirement should have to ask permission of the individual who it was retired because of... and if it's going to be brought out of retirement, it should be by one who will only do the number justice.

    I don't have much of an opinion on it, but I know I'm very superstitious. I would think that players have to be superstitious up to a point, or have some sort of attachment to their number. Maybe I'm wrong. But If they didn't, there would have never been a case that one did a legal name change to match the number that he wore. Can you imagine putting a different number on a guy like that? I just think Peyton is eighteen.... and that's the way it should be. my opinion :-)
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    • #62
      I can totally agree with Sharpe's number. That should with out a doubt be retired. He was like Elway, but for TE's. anytime u have a guy that was not only drafted here, spent virtually his entire career here (minus when Shanny let him get away to B'more), and redefined the position.

      Since he is usually regarded in the top 3, u can always argue he is GOAT. Same as Elway. That is worthy of number retirement. And that criteria is very hard to match. That should gauruntee that few numbers will ever be retired, even if the player makes HOF. Like if Atwater ever makes HOF, he would still not be considered top 3 safeties of all time, so his jersey would not deserve to be permantly enshrined.
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      • #63
        /\ I remember when Denver played Ravens in the playoffs that year, and they spanked us... every time Sharpe made a play he would run by Shanahan to rub it in... think the very next year he was back in Denver ...
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        • #64
          Originally posted by samparnell View Post
          It's fun to see video of the Red Miller days and say "Who is that #7 guy throwing such beautiful passes?"

          Peyton asked Frank for permission to wear #18 and he said fine. It's all good.
          So, just like #7 kind of covers two guys, #18 will, too.

          As for #44, he's special.
          I could be wrong, but the way I understand it is, Peyton was going to change numbers, but it was Tripuka that contacted Manning and said it would be an honor that Peyton wore his number.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by lvbronx View Post
            I could be wrong, but the way I understand it is, Peyton was going to change numbers, but it was Tripuka that contacted Manning and said it would be an honor that Peyton wore his number.
            I did not know that. How classy of the octogenarian.

            When I read Frank Leahy's book on the T Formation, I was pleased to see several photos of Frank in it. He quarterbacked the only non-losing season for the Broncos before 1973.

            After Frank retired in 1963, Bronco fans were always looking for a decent QB. It took a long time until Charley Johnson showed up in 1972.
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            • #66
              Originally posted by one5beast View Post
              I think manning would've went with 16 but tripucka wanted him to wear 18. And when Manning is done playing It will get retired again.
              This. The fact that Manning got a call specifically from the guy who wore #18 and was told it would be an HONOR for him to wear it shows true respect. Manning accepted out of respect for that offer. To turn it down would have been a bit of an insult.

              And let's face it: whether fans of Tom Brady want to admit it or not, Peyton Manning will be considered above exceptional; "other" even, when he retires. 18 will become like 23 in the NBA.

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              • #67
                Personally, I believe the only reason Manning is wearing 18 is because Tripuka insisted and if Manning had said thanks but no thanks, I'll wear his brother's #10, or his dad's #8 from his Saints days, or Helton's 17, then it would been insulting to Tripuka.

                I'm not big on limits. I think each player should be judged on his own merits. Terrell Davis for example, many can argue deserves to be honored in such away but his shorter career would likely limit his qualifications based on various limits.

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                • #68
                  Here is an article outling Frank Tripucka allowing his jersey to go Peyton Manning. This article was before we even signed Peyton and it also explains what went into the retirement of Frank Tripucka's number #18.

                  Regardless to #18.
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                  • #69
                    Pretty cool! I wish I saw more of that in Mass/NY.
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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by LSIGRAD09 View Post
                      Pretty cool! I wish I saw more of that in Mass/NY.
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                      Same here, tis very lonely.
                      There is a sprinkling on non pats fans...we are kind of all in the same boat.....lol
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                      • #71
                        I live in MA and I completely understand what it's like to live in Bradyland and be a Broncos fan. I hate the Patriots. They are so smug and arrogant. Come on Denver, AFC Champions against the PATS.....
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                        • #72
                          The history of TD

                          It's funny, I've read so many articles about Terrell Davis through the years and I thought I knew his story, but I don't think I ever realized why he was drafted in the sixth round. I mean, I knew that he had injuries and didn't do the best at the combine, but I didn't realize that his college coach intentionally sabotaged his career with scouts and mocked him in front of teammates because he assumed that he was soft for not playing injured.

                          Here is the article from 1996 which I had never read which tells the story.

                          I've always been a huge fan of TD, so I have no idea how this story escaped me, but somehow it did.
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                          • #73
                            Wowww....I didn't know any of that stuff either. There's a few choice words I'd like to say to Goff right now. I love Terrell Davis and I can't imagine anyone treating him like that. Thanks for sharing the article - it was an eye-opener.

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                            • #74
                              I personally am against retiring numbers. Its not the number that made the player but thier accomplishments on the field. If Elway had worn #14, he wouldve been just as successful.

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                              • #75
                                Thanks for sharing. TD is one of my all-time favorites. Really sad to treat him that way. I was watching A Football Life on Marcus Allen the other day and watching how Al Davis treated him. I don't know why people try to use their power to ruin someone's career. TD showed him.
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