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  • #16
    The 49ers defended the short pass really well. They took Wes Welker pretty much away for much of the game. They also won the turnover game which is always key in any playoff game. If the 49ers converted on all of their opportunities, the game would not have been that close really.

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    • #17
      The formula for fighting Belichick and his Patriots has been the same for a while:

      -You can't hope to just stop or stick a guy on the tight ends. Won't matter. Unless you have monstrous LB's (like the 49ers) who can move and be physical with them, it ain't happening.

      -Get to Brady with the front 4 or even just 3. The rush can't come from the outside: the push has to come from the middle. Slide Brady off his spot. He's not exactly good on the run. In fact, he's downright awful. He will usually torch a blitz however. This also helps stifle their ground game, as it almost always feeds off the shotgun draw.

      -Move a lot of defenders around the middle of the field. Brady doesn't have any outside threats that can take the top off of a defense. Force him to look back outside; in tandem with moving him off of his mark, this will generate a lot of sacks.

      -Crossing safeties can induce picks on him.

      -On offense, don't be afraid of the big plays. The Patriots give up more plays of 20+ yards this year than any other defense. Their DB's are greedy and will bite.

      When people say, "take away the underneath/slot", that doesn't mean anything. You can't just "take it away" or say you're going to and have it happen. Welker is a slippery booger who averages 100+ catches per year. Bump him early, cross defenders, and jump his routes. He's not going deep very often. He pumps his head dramatically when he runs, but will shorten those pumps right before making a cut.

      As far as generalities are concerned: limit mistakes and get touchdowns when the Patriots goof.

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      • #18
        One play from Pats we need to be ready is their screen game.

        That tiny little Weed Danny Woodhead has caused trouble to many teams including us this season.

        Remember 3rd and 19th for 25 yards.

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        • #19
          DT - You need monster DT can stop the run and collapse the pocket.

          Cover the TE`s. Even the 49ers had to ONLY deal with hernandaz who caught 10 catchs for 97 yards. they did not face gronk or in playoff gronk and hernandaz will be ibn the game.gronk is praticing and expected to play next week.he wil be full go in playoff.

          Del Rio - Brady last 3 games against the broncos had only given up 121 pts but if you look at del rio defense historically he does not matchup with brady .

          LLoyd is suddenly getting more integrated more into the offense with gronk out and edelman loss ,the teams are keying on wes forcing brady to hit lloyd more.
          Last edited by msats; 12-21-2012, 02:22 PM.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Remedy View Post
            apparently it is not only just you .. *cough* em *cough*
            Yes I love the throwback!! dammit don't hate!
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            • #21
              Originally posted by londonbronco View Post
              wether it be in foxboro, or mile high ,

              its slowing down tom brady, getting pressure, then stopping the underneath passes, to welker, and that big lump tight end,

              then they run the no huddle, and on D, they raise there game,

              when we won in 2006, they made loads of mistakes, too many, unlikely to happen again, fumbled punts, interceptions,

              i'm a brit, so not as clued up as you lot, whats your blueprint on giving brady a hard time, and forcing the mistakes, which enables us to win??

              my theory, when we won in 2006 it was mcoys blitz happy defence,
              i remember john lynch coming off the edge early and hitting brady, just to get the crowd pumped...

              is our D, good enough to do the same again??
              There really isn't any big "secret" to beating the pats.

              Pressure up the middle, contain on the outside, and prevent any yards after catch.

              Easier said than done though.
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              • #22
                Hit Brady early and often, even if it means getting a penatly or two. Make him think EVERYTIME he drops back to pass he's gonna be on the ground.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by ManningForLife View Post
                  One play from Pats we need to be ready is their screen game.

                  That tiny little Weed Danny Woodhead has caused trouble to many teams including us this season.

                  Remember 3rd and 19th for 25 yards.
                  Actually, it was 3rd & 14 for 25 yards in the 2nd quarter and 3rd & 17 for 19 yards in the 3rd. BTW, both drives ended up in points (10).
                  I got a little curious about this. I found that only 4 players have done it in the last 10 years: 3rd & 14+ yds to go, resulted in a 1st down or TD, twice in the same game, from their own half of the field.
                  Chris Johnson --> http://www.pro-football-reference.co...0909200oti.htm
                  Tiki Barber --> http://www.pro-football-reference.co...0509110nyg.htm
                  Santonio Holmes --> http://www.pro-football-reference.co...0812070pit.htm
                  and Woodhead.

                  Not that anybody cares, but I just love stats

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                  • #24
                    Lary coyer was are d coordinator in 2005 not mcccoy

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                    • #25
                      You have to play sound fundamentally, and don't try to win it all at once. If the D plays disciplined they won't give up those huge backbreaking plays that force teams to press and start making mistakes.

                      Play calling must be the same.
                      Last edited by Lomax; 12-22-2012, 08:38 AM.
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Remedy View Post
                        Out defence is better this year then it was in 2006.

                        And you need to get pressure with your front four.. if you start blitzing brady like crazy you are gonna have a bad day.
                        Completely disagree with that last part. Most likely Brady is gonna have a good day. It's important to make him nervous by blitzing. If he's worried where the pressure is coming from he won't be nearly as efficient. That's exactly what happened when the broncos took him out in the playoff game. I have never seen him more frustrated than he was in that game.
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                        • #27
                          That was forever ago. Broncos fans have to let that go. We're starting to sound like All Bundy.

                          Brady has enough good players around him to hurt you if you bring big blitzes. Blitz should be part of any defensive gameplan, but I believe you should never rush more than 6 or you will get torched.
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Lomax View Post
                            That was forever ago. Broncos fans have to let that go. We're starting to sound like All Bundy.

                            Brady has enough good players around him to hurt you if you bring big blitzes. Blitz should be part of any defensive gameplan, but I believe you should never rush more than 6 or you will get torched.
                            I'm just stating a game where we blitz Brady and rattled him. He's still like any other qb 7 years later. Sure it's ideal to get pressure from the front 4 but if you don't you must blitz him. The last thing you want is Brady sitting in the pocket for 5-7 seconds. I would rather take my chances sending the house at that point.
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                            • #29
                              The only way you can beat the patriots is to stop the dink and dunk. Make them beat you with the big play otherwise Brady will sit there and pick a defense apart right down the field. Cover everything tight within 101-5 yards of the LOS and make their WR's beat your Safety's man to man deep. They will probably get a few big plays on you but in the long run you will get pressure on brady and put him on the ground which takes him out of his game. You have to sacrifice those few big plays rather than just sit back and let Brady march down the field with little dink and dunks to the TE's Welker and Woodhead out of the backfield.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by msats View Post
                                DT - You need monster DT can stop the run and collapse the pocket.

                                Cover the TE`s. Even the 49ers had to ONLY deal with hernandaz who caught 10 catchs for 97 yards. they did not face gronk or in playoff gronk and hernandaz will be ibn the game.gronk is praticing and expected to play next week.he wil be full go in playoff.

                                Del Rio - Brady last 3 games against the broncos had only given up 121 pts but if you look at del rio defense historically he does not matchup with brady .

                                LLoyd is suddenly getting more integrated more into the offense with gronk out and edelman loss ,the teams are keying on wes forcing brady to hit lloyd more.
                                The 49ers gave up those numbers to Hernandez late in the game when the Patriots were in desperation, pass-only mode. Besides, if Gronk were there, Hernandez doesn't get those numbers. You don't just add a player and add stats too. That spreads around the production, while limiting the snaps of each player.

                                Are we really supposed to be scared of the Patriots, by the way? They suffered a scare at the hands of Jacksonville today. They were losing 2/3 of that game and put up a whopping 23 points. Since the boards are very "momentum" driven, shouldn't we assume that a loss, and a struggle mean that New England is on the way down?
                                Last edited by Doogansquest; 12-23-2012, 01:17 PM.

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