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  • Originally posted by samparnell View Post
    I don't think CJ can go on PUP.
    I meant IR. Oops

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    • Originally posted by #24 Next Champ View Post
      This is exactly what I saw too, aside from that one play and another where he missed a cut back, he looked much improved from last year...I honestly believe he should be our 1a and Ball be our 1b (ifff he can sure up his pass protection)

      Also wish JJ wasn't hurt, he was always impressive in limited reps in 2011

      Hillman
      M Ball
      Moreno
      JJ/CJ

      imo, and obviously i'd be scanning other teams...how ridiculously good has Lagarrate Blount looked, that whole offense looks amazing still...anyhow...although Blount won't be cut obviously we should be scanning
      I think the cutback play is up for debate. I think it could go either way. Look at what he see's just after he gets the handoff. It's easy to speculate from a birds eye view camera but it's pretty clear the play is to the right. Players get benched for cutting it back too early and in Hillmans POV he see's 7 blockers to his right and only two engaged. Beadles loses inside leverage and that's all she wrote. Beadles struggled last year with the same thing.





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      • Again, I will challenge anyone to citing a single play from last night that Hillman messed up on outside of the single play he ran into a linemen because he hesitated, because I will break it down with photo evidence that you are flat out wrong. (Fumbling issues are of course separate from this)

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        • Someone give TD some youth juice we can use him again

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          • It doesn't look good now but someone will emerge as the guy who gets more carries and as of right now it should either be Knowshon to play it safe or Ball to roll the dice. Starting Hillman at this point does not look like a good move. He's small and not explosive.

            I'd give Montee 15 carries vs the Rams and see what he's got with the first team. If he impresses, start him and if not we know what Moreno brings to the table and we won a lot of games with him last year. He can play until Ball learns a little more or just take the job entirely. There's zero reason to panic.

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            • According to this article (http://nflmanniac.blogspot.com/2013/...ning-back.html), Ronnie Hillman fumbles the ball just over four times as often as Montee Ball does.

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              • Originally posted by Hjorimir View Post
                According to this article (http://nflmanniac.blogspot.com/2013/...ning-back.html), Ronnie Hillman fumbles the ball just over four times as often as Montee Ball does.
                1st off welcome to the boards and nice find. College stats don't necessarily translate to the NFL always but it is a good comparison.

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                • Originally posted by swess93 View Post
                  1st off welcome to the boards and nice find. College stats don't necessarily translate to the NFL always but it is a good comparison.
                  I agree, but if anything NFL defenders will do a better job at stripping the ball from a runner than college defenders will. It's not a sexy stat, by any stretch of the imagination, but it's one that coaches, gms, and owners care an awful lot about. Montee's ball protection skills are quite impressive.

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                  • Originally posted by Matymaddog View Post
                    I think the cutback play is up for debate. I think it could go either way. Look at what he see's just after he gets the handoff. It's easy to speculate from a birds eye view camera but it's pretty clear the play is to the right. Players get benched for cutting it back too early and in Hillmans POV he see's 7 blockers to his right and only two engaged.Beadles loses inside leverage and that's all she wrote. Beadles struggled last year with the same thing.





                    That's a very good point...well done

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                    • Originally posted by Matymaddog View Post
                      Again, I will challenge anyone to citing a single play from last night that Hillman messed up on outside of the single play he ran into a linemen because he hesitated, because I will break it down with photo evidence that you are flat out wrong. (Fumbling issues are of course separate from this)
                      How dare you bring any kind of knowledge or thoughtful thinking to this knee jerk, not thought through conversation! Hillman is a bust because he was contained by a top 5 rush defense! Lol
                      A healthy Kenneth Dixon is a top 5 NFL RB.

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                      • Originally posted by redneckrocker View Post
                        Maty

                        It's also the time to evaluate and set a depth chart for week 1
                        I agree but this is also the time where as a RB (or other player) you need to recognize where you fell flat last game and fix it. Hillman has clealry worked on and made very large strides in his Pass block. Where he needs to step it up now in the next two games is vision while running. I think TD said it best on NFLN. Someone other than Ball will likely start earlier in the season but as the season goes on he thinks Ball will slowly take over the starting role. Frankly I think that makes sense.

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                        • Originally posted by Roddoliver View Post
                          Then draft O-lineman instead of RBs. The Packers' O-line stinks, yet Lacy broke a lot of tackles and looked great.
                          To be fair, it was the Rams defense versus the Seahawks defense. It will be interesting to see how Lacy does this week. Lacy had a 15 yard run for a long, 8 carries for 40 yards, 5 YPC. Ball had a long of 8 yards, 6 carries for 28, 4.7 YPC. Doesn't seem like much of a blowout,
                          Last edited by Hawaii007; 08-21-2013, 03:07 PM.

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                          • The Knowshon fan part of me wants us to give Knowshon the start and let Hillman work in since Montee clearly isn't ready. Knowshon is our most well rounded back and proved himself last year.


                            The fantasy owner in me wants us to give Hillman the start and 20 touches a game lol

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                            • Originally posted by Hawaii007 View Post
                              To be fair, it was the Rams defense versus the Seahawks defense. It will be interesting to see how Lacy does this week. Lacy had a 15 yard run for a long, 8 carries for 40 yards, 5 YPC. Ball had a long of 8 yards, 6 carries for 28, 4.7 YPC. Doesn't seem like much of a blowout,
                              Edie Lacy, 5 carries, 6 yards for the game. To be fair, Rodgers only played one series, unsure why.
                              Just wanted to add perspective on the conversation about Lacy versus Ball.
                              Now it will be up to Ball to show what he can do against the Rams.

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