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  • Lomax
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    Originally posted by crash123go View Post
    Some of you guys are loons man. Knighton is just as good if not better then jwall was in 09, Irving didnt lose his spot to bradley(obviously) he was moved to the strong side to replace Von miller, trevathan was one of our better linebackers last year and has the potential to be one of the best linebackers in the league (6'1 isn't close to being undersized and is actually a average height for a linebacker) and at this point I would take Moore or duke over the shadow of his former self that Dawkins was his last couple years. Of course Wolfe isn't special, he's not the flashy guy or the loud guy or the popular draft pick but was a very good pressure guy as a DT and was one of the best run defenders at DE in the league last year.

    I see it more everyday it seems like, some fans spend way too much time looking at a players flashy stats or how they weren't the player they wanted on draft day so automatically don't like them. Von miller didnt get us to the number 2 defense in the league, the 25 defenders that we carried last year did.
    Knighton has not been good at all in camp or games. I don't know what you're looking at. He gives us nothing in the pass game and he gets worked in the run game. If he was so good Jacksonville would have resigned him.

    Von has been practicing and playing with the 1s all camp and in games. All of the local media has been commenting on how odd that is considering the circumstances. Irving could have been with the 1s at Mike instead of Bradley who is awful. That was clearly his competition in camp.

    By the way, height is not the only way to be undersized, just so you know. Trevathan is a 230lb nickel LB.

    And that you think Dawkins was a "shadow of his former self" tells me you don't pay attention. Clearly the people who voted him to the pro bowl didn't agree on that point. Duke is a UDFA who has exactly 0 games under his belt (did i really have to point this out???) and Rahim will forever be known for "the play". Please go find a play like that on Dawkins' resume. You wont, because he is a better safety right now in retirement than Rahim is.

    Originally posted by crash123go View Post
    You've already given up which is obvious and you believe we're one of the least talented teams in the league which also makes it obvious you don't realize that football is a team sport. No one player makes a team
    Ridiculous. I'm not arguing that our players suck (well, Knighton does), but by arguing that we are so amazingly talented, you are forcing me to point out how unfounded that is. I like Irving and Trevathan. Wolfe is solid but unspectacular. Malik Jackson shows flashes. We all like Duke's playmaking ability. But quit acting like we are stacked with probowlers like the Niners.
    Last edited by Lomax; 08-22-2013, 06:31 AM.

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  • crash123go
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    Originally posted by Lomax View Post
    We can't quantify how much we missed Nolan vs. how much we missed Doom. The only way to do that would have been to have Nolan coach the team that ended up 32nd in the league. I'm pretty certain that he couldn't have coached that team into the top 10 again. Low 20s maybe. But again, this is all guesswork.

    Von is a much, much better player than Doom and his impact is felt in the run and pass game. He is in the discussion as the best defensive player in the league. That means he's much less replaceable than Doom was and the hole left will be much bigger for the weeks that he is out. And since I don't accept the notion that we're so much more talented than the '09 team, that means that losing Von will hurt us more than hurting Doom hurt us back then (even with the Nolan factor).
    You've already given up which is obvious and you believe we're one of the least talented teams in the league which also makes it obvious you don't realize that football is a team sport. No one player makes a team

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  • crash123go
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    Originally posted by Lomax View Post
    That's not what people were saying in the middle of '09. They were in beast mode. Nobody would have guessed that they would fail the next year so hard. We were not star-studded but we had 3 pro-bowl players in Champ, Dawk and Doom. Exactly 3 more than we have this year without Von.

    3 years from now people could be saying the same thing about this team because the list you just gave me is not impressive or even known aside from DRC outside of Broncos Country.

    Also your list is no good. I'll give you Chris Harris and DRC. Knighton is not good. Irving couldn't beat out Bradley, Trevathan is undersized. Neither Moore nor Duke are as good as Dawkins. And Wolfe is nothing special. I'll take it a step further. If you put Miller on that defense they are probably #1 in the league that year.
    Some of you guys are loons man. Knighton is just as good if not better then jwall was in 09, Irving didnt lose his spot to bradley(obviously) he was moved to the strong side to replace Von miller, trevathan was one of our better linebackers last year and has the potential to be one of the best linebackers in the league (6'1 isn't close to being undersized and is actually a average height for a linebacker) and at this point I would take Moore or duke over the shadow of his former self that Dawkins was his last couple years. Of course Wolfe isn't special, he's not the flashy guy or the loud guy or the popular draft pick but was a very good pressure guy as a DT and was one of the best run defenders at DE in the league last year.

    I see it more everyday it seems like, some fans spend way too much time looking at a players flashy stats or how they weren't the player they wanted on draft day so automatically don't like them. Von miller didnt get us to the number 2 defense in the league, the 25 defenders that we carried last year did.

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  • AdamWeberOrBust
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    I can tell what most of you all were saying when we were losing in the first half of last seasons Charger game...

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  • Lomax
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    We can't quantify how much we missed Nolan vs. how much we missed Doom. The only way to do that would have been to have Nolan coach the team that ended up 32nd in the league. I'm pretty certain that he couldn't have coached that team into the top 10 again. Low 20s maybe. But again, this is all guesswork.

    Von is a much, much better player than Doom and his impact is felt in the run and pass game. He is in the discussion as the best defensive player in the league. That means he's much less replaceable than Doom was and the hole left will be much bigger for the weeks that he is out. And since I don't accept the notion that we're so much more talented than the '09 team, that means that losing Von will hurt us more than hurting Doom hurt us back then (even with the Nolan factor).

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  • dlewis76
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    Originally posted by JakeNbake View Post
    This is like your opinion man.
    One of my all time favorite movies! The Dude abides.

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  • arapaho
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    And it took wink two seasons to land another coaching job...

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  • JakeNbake
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    Originally posted by RandomVariable View Post
    I never denied that. I was addressing the insinuation that spygate had anything to do with the success of the organization. People with inside knowledge of the situation know better.

    So then why choose an arbitrary point in time after which the Pats haven't won a SB? I can do that too. Peyton Manning hasn't won a SB after Dungy left the Colts. The Denver Broncos haven't won a SB since Elway's retirement.
    That's true we haven't been very good since Elway retired!

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  • arapaho
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    Originally posted by Lomax View Post
    That's not what people were saying in the middle of '09. They were in beast mode. Nobody would have guessed that they would fail the next year so hard. We were not star-studded but we had 3 pro-bowl players in Champ, Dawk and Doom. Exactly 3 more than we have this year without Von.

    3 years from now people could be saying the same thing about this team because the list you just gave me is not impressive or even known aside from DRC outside of Broncos Country.



    and again your not placeing enough credit on nolan...sure we had three probowlers in 09...but this team top to bottem on the line aside from doom is better than 09-10

    sure in 2010 we strugled with pressure...but nolan was a heavy pressure defensive guy....remember the issue between him and mcdoosh was because mcd wanted him to quick blitzing so much

    mcd got his patsy in wink

    our drop in defense had much more to do with losing nolan than it did losing doom

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  • JakeNbake
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    Originally posted by Lomax View Post
    That's not what people were saying in the middle of '09. They were in beast mode. Nobody would have guessed that they would fail the next year so hard. We were not star-studded but we had 3 pro-bowl players in Champ, Dawk and Doom. Exactly 3 more than we have this year without Von.

    3 years from now people could be saying the same thing about this team because the list you just gave me is not impressive or even known aside from DRC outside of Broncos Country.

    Also your list is no good. I'll give you Chris Harris and DRC. Knighton is not good. Irving couldn't beat out Bradley, Trevathan is undersized. Neither Moore nor Duke are as good as Dawkins. And Wolfe is nothing special.

    This is like your opinion man.

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  • demonicbroncos
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    Originally posted by crash123go View Post
    No way. We got into the 20s with Tim tebow at QB, we won't revert past that with osweiler
    Im still not that sure about Osweiler, he still need to show if he can't make the play with the game on the line.

    The real deal about this year we starting the year possible without three playmakers from last year right off the bat. We spent lots of picks on the defensive side of the field since Elway took helm, its time for the farm to pick up the slack.

    The depth of the oline is the only real issues on offense with Clady Franklin and Kuper coming from injuries, not to mention we have at center. I believe on our rbs Knowshon will probably should start til Ball get up to speed and Hillman can be a effective weapon though with his size he should be limited to have him through out the season.

    We still have a explosive offense with our qb and wrs. We still have a above average secondary. We have holes in our front seven in both sides but we can still score, we just limit our turnovers.

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  • Lomax
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    Originally posted by crash123go View Post
    Woodyard, Harris, DRC, W CCColfe, trevathan, ihenacho, Williams, knighton, Moore, carter, Webster, bolden and Jackson are a handful of the players that are upgrades over the players we had on the 09 team. This defense still has talent to be a great defense
    That's not what people were saying in the middle of '09. They were in beast mode. Nobody would have guessed that they would fail the next year so hard. We were not star-studded but we had 3 pro-bowl players in Champ, Dawk and Doom. Exactly 3 more than we have this year without Von.

    3 years from now people could be saying the same thing about this team because the list you just gave me is not impressive or even known aside from DRC outside of Broncos Country.

    Also your list is no good. I'll give you Chris Harris and DRC. Knighton is not good. Irving couldn't beat out Bradley, Trevathan is undersized. Neither Moore nor Duke are as good as Dawkins. And Wolfe is nothing special. I'll take it a step further. If you put Miller on that defense they are probably #1 in the league that year.
    Last edited by Lomax; 08-21-2013, 09:43 PM.

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  • the0rangecrush
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    Originally posted by PunchDrunk View Post
    This.

    The Broncos will get a top ten pick the moment Peyton steps off the field for the Broncos.
    Not if we bring back Ingle Martin

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  • orangecrushtime
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    Originally posted by crash123go View Post
    Woodyard, Harris, DRC, Wolfe, trevathan, ihenacho, Williams, knighton, Moore, carter, Webster, bolden and Jackson are a handful of the players that are upgrades over the players we had on the 09 team. This defense still has talent to be a great defense
    ^this. Although my list would be much shorter. Don't forget 2010 was the year we brought in Jamal Williams as NT and had Goodman as #2 corner with Perrish Cox as our depth before we traded him. Are defensive ends were Ryan Mcbean and a rookie Ayers lol. I don't think anyone on that defensive line is still in the league aside from Bannan.

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  • crash123go
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    Originally posted by Lomax View Post
    That's a strong statement. Who is a special talent on our defense besides Von? And don't forget Champ is out early too. Who are the OCs of the first few teams we play going to lose sleep about on our defense?
    Woodyard, Harris, DRC, Wolfe, trevathan, ihenacho, Williams, knighton, Moore, carter, Webster, bolden and Jackson are a handful of the players that are upgrades over the players we had on the 09 team. This defense still has talent to be a great defense

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