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  • JayJack
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    Originally posted by Rich_C View Post
    It is very interesting you mention this. I was watching the past few games and when Caldwell has been called on he has made errors nearly everytime. Dropped passes mainly. I was thinking then we should see Robinson get called upon to step up and see what he can do. I think that with DT having some reoccurring shoulder injuries that having another guy to plug into DT style routes would be a good thing.
    He doesn't have DT style speed.

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  • Rich_C
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    Originally posted by velly4 View Post
    Yeah I think having him in the lineup would be hell having another big target for manning. But I don't think it'll happen either just wanted to see what others thought.
    It is very interesting you mention this. I was watching the past few games and when Caldwell has been called on he has made errors nearly everytime. Dropped passes mainly. I was thinking then we should see Robinson get called upon to step up and see what he can do. I think that with DT having some reoccurring shoulder injuries that having another guy to plug into DT style routes would be a good thing.

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  • Matymaddog
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    Originally posted by Hawaii007 View Post
    I understand the argument that he is supposed to maintain gap discipline, but in a goal line situation, defenses have to sell out or they can't make the stop. Unless you know the game plan, it is possible that the whole reason he gave up his gap discipline was to sell out to the middle and thus open the gap not only for the offense, but for his second line behind him, and entrusting them to go and be able to get up field fast enough to engage the pulling blockers and the FB deep enough in the backfield to get to Greene before he hit the LOS and the hole. IMO, if Fua's man was able to come off of him and engage the other defenders and help Greene score by blocking them the Fua definitely did not do his job in that case.
    If his job was to stunt inside which it,clearly wasn't judging by what him and the rest of the defense did (unless del rio started designing plays like a child), then he did a terrible job at that as well. He just wasn't good a all, don't know why anyone is defending him. It's to be expected. He wasn't on an nfl team

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  • spcdlee02
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    The most glaring thing I saw was Fua not lining up properly. There was more than one occasion he attempted to line up on the wrong side of the line and he had to move at the last second. He's still lost.

    I do hope Huff can return to closer to form instead of the shadow of his former self. He could still contribute.

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  • beastlyskronk
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    Originally posted by JakeNbake View Post
    Not against the Titans but the game against the Chiefs I saw Huff on ST'she was very good at jogging at a slow pace and looking like he didn't care.
    This is why he was cut from Baltimore. He wants to have a role on defense but he's going to have to earn it on special teams

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  • Return of Lava
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    No way I trust a practice squad player in the playoffs. Preseason success doesnt translate to the Reg season well, let alone playoffs.

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  • gaberox
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    Originally posted by JakeNbake View Post
    Not against the Titans but the game against the Chiefs I saw Huff on ST's he was very good at jogging at a slow pace and looking like he didn't care.
    I saw the same in both games. Just look for 29 not even trying on kick coverage. Very disappointing Huff is a guy at the time I wished we would of drafted, same with Landry, Michael Griffen or any of the talented safties from 05/06. Super fast with a ton of potential but guess its all for not. Still happy to have him on Madden though lol

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  • JakeNbake
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    Not against the Titans but the game against the Chiefs I saw Huff on ST's he was very good at jogging at a slow pace and looking like he didn't care.

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  • Hawaii007
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    Originally posted by Matymaddog View Post
    Fua is supposed to maintain gap discipline. Anyone that has ever played the game of football in the defensive front 7 understands what I am talking about, rather than playing disciplined Fua played selfish and tried to make a play while also playing soft. He fired high out of his stance, gave up his gap discipline allowing three blockers to crash his gap without any traffic and while doing so he stood there allowing the blocker to put his helmet on his outside shoulder and at no point did he look up, try to get separation or anything to course correct and fill his gap. This defense is predicated on keeping our linebackers clean so they can flow to the play. Every defensive lineman but Fua did their jobs. Again, it's clear why this guy was an unclaimed free agent until big Vick got hurt
    I understand the argument that he is supposed to maintain gap discipline, but in a goal line situation, defenses have to sell out or they can't make the stop. Unless you know the game plan, it is possible that the whole reason he gave up his gap discipline was to sell out to the middle and thus open the gap not only for the offense, but for his second line behind him, and entrusting them to go and be able to get up field fast enough to engage the pulling blockers and the FB deep enough in the backfield to get to Greene before he hit the LOS and the hole. IMO, if Fua's man was able to come off of him and engage the other defenders and help Greene score by blocking them the Fua definitely did not do his job in that case.

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  • Giddy'up
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    Originally posted by Matymaddog View Post
    Fua is supposed to maintain gap discipline. Anyone that has ever played the game of football in the defensive front 7 understands what I am talking about, rather than playing disciplined Fua played selfish and tried to make a play while also playing soft. He fired high out of his stance, gave up his gap discipline allowing three blockers to crash his gap without any traffic and while doing so he stood there allowing the blocker to put his helmet on his outside shoulder and at no point did he look up, try to get separation or anything to course correct and fill his gap. This defense is predicated on keeping our linebackers clean so they can flow to the play. Every defensive lineman but Fua did their jobs. Again, it's clear why this guy was an unclaimed free agent until big Vick got hurt
    It doesn't matter dude, had he stood in his gap, he is not going to stop 3 blockers, using your same logic the linebackers had as much opportunity to get into the hole and make a stop, stop trying to pin it on one guy - Everyone here knows Fua is not a blue chip player, what people are saying is that he did OK for his first game on an unfamiliar team, can you live with that?

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  • Matymaddog
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    Originally posted by Giddy'up View Post
    So Fua is supposed to stop 2 additional pulling blockers and a fullback,,, me thinks you have set the bar a tad bit high for the new guy.
    Fua is supposed to maintain gap discipline. Anyone that has ever played the game of football in the defensive front 7 understands what I am talking about, rather than playing disciplined Fua played selfish and tried to make a play while also playing soft. He fired high out of his stance, gave up his gap discipline allowing three blockers to crash his gap without any traffic and while doing so he stood there allowing the blocker to put his helmet on his outside shoulder and at no point did he look up, try to get separation or anything to course correct and fill his gap. This defense is predicated on keeping our linebackers clean so they can flow to the play. Every defensive lineman but Fua did their jobs. Again, it's clear why this guy was an unclaimed free agent until big Vick got hurt

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  • Giddy'up
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    Originally posted by Matymaddog View Post
    There are actually 2 pulling blockers and a FB hitting the hole where Fua is supposed to be. Lol. Try again.
    So Fua is supposed to stop 2 additional pulling blockers and a fullback,,, me thinks you have set the bar a tad bit high for the new guy.

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  • Matymaddog
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    Originally posted by Giddy'up View Post
    I see two linebackers behind Fua and a secondary player to the right of him, possible another lineman, and only two Titan blockers. what the hell did they do to prevent the TD?

    All Fua did was try to clog the middle so they couldn't pound it up the gut.

    If anything your pictures shows 3 free Broncos that couldn't take out one free titan blocker... LOL
    There are actually 2 pulling blockers and a FB hitting the hole where Fua is supposed to be. Lol. Try again.
    Last edited by Matymaddog; 12-10-2013, 09:45 AM.

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  • darryn16
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    Originally posted by Giddy'up View Post
    I see two linebackers behind Fua and a secondary player to the right of him, possible another lineman, and only two Titan blockers. what the hell did they do to prevent the TD?

    All Fua did was try to clog the middle so they couldn't pound it up the gut.

    If anything your pictures shows 3 free Broncos that couldn't take out one free titan blocker... LOL
    This is why going into the playoffs with this defense is a recipe for disaster. UP to now, the success of the team has been predicated on scoring a ton of points. Just playing devil's advocate here, but what happens if Manning goes down? Can Brock really be counted on to pick up the pieces? This defense surely will not rise to the occasion.

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  • Giddy'up
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    Originally posted by Matymaddog View Post
    This was not penetrating. This was taking yourself out of a play completely and every player does it at some point but Fua did it fairly often when in the game. I wouldn't praise Vickerson for doing that. Try to temper your hostility.

    No one on that play messed up worse than Fua. His mistake was the mistake that caused the whole defense to collapse. He have up his entire gap! Those blockers had free reign with no traffic to take on in making them. Clearly you have never played defensive line. You have responsibilities. Gap responsibilities. When you start free lancing and playing in disciplined then you stop seeing the field.

    I see two linebackers behind Fua and a secondary player to the right of him, possible another lineman, and only two Titan blockers. what the hell did they do to prevent the TD?

    All Fua did was try to clog the middle so they couldn't pound it up the gut.

    If anything your pictures shows 3 free Broncos that couldn't take out one free titan blocker... LOL
    Last edited by Giddy'up; 12-10-2013, 09:38 AM.

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