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  • Javalon
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    Originally posted by Mer
    Of Tony's 7 TD's last year, can anyone tell me how many came after Priest got hurt?
    According to the NFL's stats, Gonzalez didn't have a TD in the Chiefs' final two games without Holmes. It could be the defenses clamped down on Gonzalez since he became KC's top receiver after Priest was out of the lineup.

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  • Mer
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    Of Tony's 7 TD's last year, can anyone tell me how many came after Priest got hurt?

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  • Javalon
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    Originally posted by Mer
    Not by any means saying that Shannon is Denver's only means of attack. I KNOW thats not true.

    But Denver needs Shannon far more than KC needs Tony.

    Or he would have more.
    I don't know. With the 3rd-string QB starting for us, I'd probably agree with you. But until our recent injuries, the Broncos have had good luck with their starting receivers.

    The Chiefs have had solid but not dominating receivers as far as I can remember in recent years. For instance, last season was the Holmes and Gonzalez show in KC. Tony had 10 more catches than KC's top wide receiver. In contrast, Shannon was 3rd on the Broncos behind both Rod and Ed (and he was 28 behind Rod).

    If you took Shannon out of the Broncos' offense it would suck but they'd survive (at least when the team was healthy). If you took Gonzalez out of the Chiefs' offense, I think they'd be seriously disadvantaged.

    I'm not sleighting Sharpe in any way but I think Gonzalez is more crucial to the Chiefs' offensive success.

    Any Chiefs fans care to comment on the importance of Tony to your offense?

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  • Elway
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    3 Super Bowl Rings can't be wrong... that's three more than Gonzales currently has. Shannon is the Jerry Rice of his position, the rest are playing catch up, maybe they will one day, who knows, the same way Moss or Harrison may catch up to Rice one day.

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  • Mer
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    Not by any means saying that Shannon is Denver's only means of attack. I KNOW thats not true.

    But Denver needs Shannon far more than KC needs Tony.

    Or he would have more.

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  • Javalon
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    Today's tight ends are more versatile than in the older days of football. When looking at tight ends we shouldn't discount the guys that were fierce blockers as well as decent-good receivers.

    As pass-catching tight ends go, the numbers are plainly in favor Sharpe but looking only at receptions is a disservice to the old-timers.

    Any Broncos fan should know better than to bash Tony Gonzalez; we've been burned by him too many times to not respect his top-tier skills. Gonzalez got off to a faster start in his career than Sharpe did and Shannon did miss most of one season. It'll be interesting to see how long Tony plays and how healthy he stays.

    So far this season, Sharpe has more catches (31 to 26) while Gonzalez has more yards (411 to 351) while they're tied in TD's at 4 apiece. So, I'm not sure you can say that one is playing better than the other right now. But considering Shannon is so old and decrepit you'd think Tony would be leading easily, wouldn't you? Hmm...

    Anyway, Gonzalez definitely has the chance of being a Hall of Famer but people sure do jump the gun on players like Heap and Shockey. I'm just glad that Sharpe graced the Broncos with his presence for most of his career and I'm grateful to Shanny for having the sense to correct his mistake (I know, the salary cap) and bring Shannon back to the Broncos to end his career.

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  • broncos4ever
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    Here are the statistics on Kellen Winslow and Shannon Sharpe...

    1979 sdg | 7 | 25 255 10.2 2 |
    | 1980 sdg | 16 | 89 1290 14.5 9 |
    | 1981 sdg | 16 | 88 1075 12.2 10 |
    | 1982 sdg | 9 | 54 721 13.4 6 |
    | 1983 sdg | 16 | 88 1172 13.3 8 |
    | 1984 sdg | 7 | 55 663 12.1 2 |
    | 1985 sdg | 10 | 25 318 12.7 0 |
    | 1986 sdg | 16 | 64 728 11.4 5 |
    | 1987 sdg | 12 | 53 519 9.8 3 |
    +----------+-----+-------------------------+
    | TOTAL | 109 | 541 6741 12.5 45 |


    1990 Denver Broncos 16 2 7 99 14.1 33 1 2 0 0
    1991 Denver Broncos 16 9 22 322 14.6 37 1 7 0 0
    1992 Denver Broncos 16 11 53 640 12.1 55 2 8 3 26
    1993 Denver Broncos 16 12 81 995 12.3 63 9 12 3 49
    1994 Denver Broncos 15 13 87 1010 11.6 44 4 14 2 51
    1995 Denver Broncos 13 12 63 756 12.0 49 4 10 2 39
    1996 Denver Broncos 15 15 80 1062 13.3 51 10 16 2 52
    1997 Denver Broncos 16 16 72 1107 15.4 68 3 18 3 49
    1998 Denver Broncos 16 16 64 768 12.0 38 10 10 0 45
    1999 Denver Broncos 5 5 23 224 9.7 24 0 3 0 9
    2000 Baltimore Ravens 16 15 67 810 12.1 59 5 12 1 36
    2001 Baltimore Ravens 16 15 73 811 11.1 37 2 8 0 43
    2002 Denver Broncos 13 13 61 686 11.2 82 3 5 1 32
    2003 Denver Broncos 8 8 31 351 11.3 26 4 5 0 21
    TOTAL 197 162 784 9641 12.3 82 58 130 17 452


    If you compare those statistics I do not think there is any question that Sharpe is much better than Winslow.

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  • broncokev
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    he was a great one

    Yea Kellen is a great TE ...I'll never forget the SD / Miami game!!!
    That rounds out my top 3 Casper/Sharpe/Winslow!!
    His son is looking good also.

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  • KC Chiefs
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    Tony G. is the best TE in the game right now.I do feel that Shannon will probably go down as one of the best ever.However it's Kellen Winslow who is the best to play the TE position.

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  • broncos4ever
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    Horseface,

    I can agree with you this time on the numbers with Tony G.

    We do need to take into consideraton this is Shockey's second year and Heap's third year and this is Tony's seventh...

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  • broncos4ever
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    Originally posted by Return of Lava
    all football/basketball players play through the pain but some injuries are just too severe. shannon has been lucky enough to avoid serious injuries
    That's so true and who knows whether Gonzalez, Shockey or Heap will. That is why some of the Chief fans on this thread can only hope and we Bronco fans can know...

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  • Return of Lava
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    all football/basketball players play through the pain but some injuries are just too severe. shannon has been lucky enough to avoid serious injuries

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  • broncos4ever
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    Originally posted by Return of Lava
    Davis' injury came on an turnover too thats what hurts
    That's my entire point, a football player had to stay healthy. Even with some injuries to his knees, Shannon has learned to play through the pain, be a leader and that is why he has the numbers and that is why he is the best tight end in football -- bar none.

    The others they must stay healthy and then we will see what they can do. They might be able to claim they are the best for the year, but the all time best without a doubt is Shannon Sharpe and they others are reaching for that goal.

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  • Return of Lava
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    Davis' injury came on an turnover too thats what hurts

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  • broncos4ever
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    Since Shannon has already put up the numbers, he has nothing to defend. He can only put up more numbers the longer he plays football.

    The same argument could have been made about Terrell Davis and it was made that he could have been or would have been the best running back in football. One injury and that ruined him being the best back and also might keep him out of the Hall of Fame even with the numbers he put up in the short time he played.

    The same could be said about Tony G. at this time. He has to stay healthy or he will not be one of the best. He is in the top 4 at this time, that can be said. As for the future he needs not to get injured for long period of time, otherwise the numbers he puts up now will be forgotten.

    Shannon is already there... He is the best. Gonzalez, Shockey, Heap still have something to prove.

    If it is third down, I want Sharpe in the game...

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