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    During this offseason to keep my sanity I surrounded my free time by compelling together the all time Broncos team...... Remembering the 50th anniversary team I must say I was disappointed with the selections on that team.. However with me being born in 1991 and only be a serious Broncos fan since 2004 it is rather difficult to understand the impact players made in the previous generations.... As you can imagine this was relatively difficult and very time consuming with plenty of questions being asked such as " should the all time team be a 4-3 or 3-4 defense"??Relaying mostly on stats and tenure with the team I compiled my version of the Broncos All time team.

    Side Note the players with ? Are players I'm not sure about need help from people who can make a better comparison between the players listed

    Offense
    1 QB John Elway
    2 HB Terrel Davis, Floyd Little
    2 WR Rod Smith, Lionel Taylor
    1 TE Shannon Sharpe
    2 T Gary Zimmerman, Ryan Clady?, Matt Lepsis?
    2 G Mark Schlereth, Keith Bishop
    1 C Tom Nalen

    3-4 Defense
    2 DE Trevor Pryce?, Barney Chavous?, Lyle Alzado?, Rulon Jones?
    1 NT Trevor Pryce?, Rubin Carter?, Greg Kragen?
    OLB Karl Mcklenburg, Tom Jackson
    ILB Randy Gradishar, Al Wilson
    CB Champ Bailey, Louis Wright
    S Steve Atwater, Goose Gonsoulin

    A lot of players that are great did not make the cut for example Simon Fletcher and Elvis Dumerville and I personally believe Tombstone Jackson would all play OLB in a 3-4 however I can't see any of them beating out Jackson or Mcklenburg.... Both Von miller and demyruis Thomas will be on this list soon but not yet!!!

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    That's pretty close to my list. DLine is probably the hardest.

    I'd have Tony Jones at tackle with Zimmerman. IMO, Jones is one of the most underrated Bronco players ever.

    I'm probably in the minority, but I'd have Dennis Smith over even Atwater. Smith did everything Atwater did, plus could cover WRs. Billy Thompson would be close to being on my list.

    K = Elam
    Returner - Upchurch
    P = Rouen

    I'd also put Mecklenberg at ML in place of Al Wilson, with Von at the outside.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by lvbronx View Post
      That's pretty close to my list. DLine is probably the hardest.

      I'd have Tony Jones at tackle with Zimmerman. IMO, Jones is one of the most underrated Bronco players ever.

      I'm probably in the minority, but I'd have Dennis Smith over even Atwater. Smith did everything Atwater did, plus could cover WRs. Billy Thompson would be close to being on my list.

      K = Elam
      Returner - Upchurch
      P = Rouen

      I'd also put Mecklenberg at ML in place of Al Wilson, with Von at the outside.
      D-Line was by far the most difficult, and besides Dumerville and Pryce the broncos seem to never have a consist d-line since the late 80's

      Smith over Atwater? Never thought i would hear that

      Special teams no brainer

      Mmmmmmm in a year or two i would agree about von

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      • #4
        The D-Lines Denver had in the late Sixties/early Seventies were pretty good: Dave Costa; Rich Jackson; Pete Duranko; Paul Smith; Lyle Alzado.
        "Stultum est timere quod vitare non potes." ~ Publilius Syrus

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        • #5
          Originally posted by USMCbronco4life View Post
          D-Line was by far the most difficult, and besides Dumerville and Pryce the broncos seem to never have a consist d-line since the late 80's

          Smith over Atwater? Never thought i would hear that

          Special teams no brainer

          Mmmmmmm in a year or two i would agree about von
          What exactly did Atwater do better than Smith? Not saying Atwater wasn't great, only that Dennis Smith did more and did it well. And Smith hit every bit as hard as Atwater. Thurman Thomas said Dennis Smith was the one player that scared him and called him "crazy".

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          • #6
            Originally posted by lvbronx View Post
            What exactly did Atwater do better than Smith? Not saying Atwater wasn't great, only that Dennis Smith did more and did it well. And Smith hit every bit as hard as Atwater. Thurman Thomas said Dennis Smith was the one player that scared him and called him "crazy".
            Problem with Dennis Smith vs Atwater, is Smith was more injury prone (if my memory serves correctly). Ya, Gumby could definitely hit as hard as Atwater and it used to drive me crazy in the 80's when most people named Ronnie Lott the most intimidating safety in the league when I believe Smith was just as good and hit just as hard.

            As far as the OP's list, I'd put Dave Studdard as the 2nd T behind Zimmerman and place Atwater & Smith as the safeties
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Dennis.1960 View Post
              Problem with Dennis Smith vs Atwater, is Smith was more injury prone (if my memory serves correctly). Ya, Gumby could definitely hit as hard as Atwater and it used to drive me crazy in the 80's when most people named Ronnie Lott the most intimidating safety in the league when I believe Smith was just as good and hit just as hard.

              As far as the OP's list, I'd put Dave Studdard as the 2nd T behind Zimmerman and place Atwater & Smith as the safeties
              Smith is 4th all-time with the Denver Broncos in games played with the franchise with 184. I don't recall him missing many games.

              A little more about Dennis Smith from Wikipedia:

              Smith was voted to play in six Pro Bowls (following the 1985-1986, 1989–1991 and 1993 seasons), was named All-AFC in 1984 and 1988 and played on three Broncos Super Bowl teams (XXI, XXII, XXIV), and was named All-Pro 4 times.
              And I think he should have made a few more probowls during that time, if it wasn't for the Anti-Bronco bias.

              It's kind of scary to think Smith and Lott played in the same backfield together at USC.

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              • #8
                Didn't we already make an "All time team" thread?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by USMCbronco4life View Post
                  During this offseason to keep my sanity I surrounded my free time by compelling together the all time Broncos team...... Remembering the 50th anniversary team I must say I was disappointed with the selections on that team.. However with me being born in 1991 and only be a serious Broncos fan since 2004 it is rather difficult to understand the impact players made in the previous generations.... As you can imagine this was relatively difficult and very time consuming with plenty of questions being asked such as " should the all time team be a 4-3 or 3-4 defense"??Relaying mostly on stats and tenure with the team I compiled my version of the Broncos All time team.

                  Side Note the players with ? Are players I'm not sure about need help from people who can make a better comparison between the players listed

                  Offense
                  1 QB John Elway
                  2 HB Terrel Davis, Floyd Little
                  2 WR Rod Smith, Lionel Taylor.
                  1 TE Shannon Sharpe
                  2 T Gary Zimmerman, Ryan Clady?, Matt Lepsis?
                  2 G Mark Schlereth, Keith Bishop
                  1 C Tom Nalen

                  3-4 Defense
                  2 DE Trevor Pryce?, Barney Chavous?, Lyle Alzado?, Rulon Jones?
                  1 NT Trevor Pryce?, Rubin Carter?, Greg Kragen?
                  OLB Karl Mcklenburg, Tom Jackson
                  ILB Randy Gradishar, Al Wilson
                  CB Champ Bailey, Louis Wright
                  S Steve Atwater, Goose Gonsoulin

                  A lot of players that are great did not make the cut for example Simon Fletcher and Elvis Dumerville and I personally believe Tombstone Jackson would all play OLB in a 3-4 however I can't see any of them beating out Jackson or Mcklenburg.... Both Von miller and demyruis Thomas will be on this list soon but not yet!!!
                  Nice thread!
                  My .02$

                  QB- John Elway. Peyton Manning.
                  Rb- TD!. Floyd Little. Clinton Portis.Howard Griffith. Otis Armstrong.
                  Wr- Rod Smith. DT. Lionel Taylor. Ed McCaffery. Vance Johnson.
                  TE- Shannon Sharpe.Riley Odoms. Clarence Kay.
                  OT- Gary Zimmerman. Tony Jones. Ryan Clady. Ken Lanier.
                  OG Mark Schlereth. Louis Vasquez. Keith Bishop.
                  C- Tom Nalen. Jerry Sturm

                  DE- Rich Jackson. Simon Fletcher. Alfred Williams. Rulon Jones.
                  Interior DL- Lyle Alzado. Trevor Pryce. Rubin Carter.
                  Outside LB- Von Miller. Tom Jackson. Bill Romanowski. John Mobley. Bob Swenson.
                  Inside LB- Randy Gradishar. Karl Mecklenburg. Al Wilson. Joe Rizzo
                  CB- Champ Bailey. Louie Wright. Chris Harris. Darrien Gordon. Tyrone "Chicken" Braxton.
                  Safety- Steve Atwater. Dennis Smith. Bill Thompson. Steve Foley.

                  K- Jason Elam
                  P- Tom Rouen
                  Return Specialist- Rick Upchurch
                  Long Snapper-Mike Leach

                  Theres my 53.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by lvbronx View Post
                    Smith is 4th all-time with the Denver Broncos in games played with the franchise with 184. I don't recall him missing many games.
                    They're both my fave safeties of all time by a mile and I really have a hard time choosing between them...so I won't

                    A quick comparison from wiki...

                    Smith
                    6× Pro Bowl selection (1985, 1986, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1993)
                    AP Second-Team All-Pro (1989)
                    3× PFW First-Team All-AFC (1984, 1986, 1989)
                    Broncos Ring of Fame inductee (2001)
                    INT: 30
                    INT yards: 431
                    Sacks: 15

                    Atwater
                    8× Pro Bowl selection (1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1998)
                    2× First-Team All-Pro selection (1991, 1992)
                    Second-Team All-Pro selection (1996)
                    2× Super Bowl champion (XXXII, XXXIII)
                    NFL 1990s All-Decade Team
                    Tackles: 1,180
                    Interceptions: 24
                    Interception yards: 408
                    Sacks: 5
                    Extra points for knocking Christian Okoye flat on his back

                    Never saw Smith & Lott together at USC...but was lucky enough to see Smith & Atwater many times :thumb:
                    Last edited by Dennis.1960; 08-16-2015, 05:33 PM.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by USMCbronco4life View Post
                      During this offseason to keep my sanity I surrounded my free time by compelling together the all time Broncos team...... Remembering the 50th anniversary team I must say I was disappointed with the selections on that team.. However with me being born in 1991 and only be a serious Broncos fan since 2004 it is rather difficult to understand the impact players made in the previous generations.... As you can imagine this was relatively difficult and very time consuming with plenty of questions being asked such as " should the all time team be a 4-3 or 3-4 defense"??Relaying mostly on stats and tenure with the team I compiled my version of the Broncos All time team.

                      Side Note the players with ? Are players I'm not sure about need help from people who can make a better comparison between the players listed

                      Offense
                      1 QB John Elway
                      2 HB Terrel Davis, Floyd Little
                      2 WR Rod Smith, Lionel Taylor
                      1 TE Shannon Sharpe
                      2 T Gary Zimmerman, Ryan Clady?, Matt Lepsis?
                      2 G Mark Schlereth, Keith Bishop
                      1 C Tom Nalen

                      3-4 Defense
                      2 DE Trevor Pryce?, Barney Chavous?, Lyle Alzado?, Rulon Jones?
                      1 NT Trevor Pryce?, Rubin Carter?, Greg Kragen?
                      OLB Karl Mcklenburg, Tom Jackson
                      ILB Randy Gradishar, Al Wilson
                      CB Champ Bailey, Louis Wright
                      S Steve Atwater, Goose Gonsoulin

                      A lot of players that are great did not make the cut for example Simon Fletcher and Elvis Dumerville and I personally believe Tombstone Jackson would all play OLB in a 3-4 however I can't see any of them beating out Jackson or Mcklenburg.... Both Von miller and demyruis Thomas will be on this list soon but not yet!!!
                      Nice lineup.

                      At DE, would have Rich Jackson there.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by lvbronx View Post
                        What exactly did Atwater do better than Smith? Not saying Atwater wasn't great, only that Dennis Smith did more and did it well. And Smith hit every bit as hard as Atwater. Thurman Thomas said Dennis Smith was the one player that scared him and called him "crazy".
                        Smith was a really really big hitter. Hit harder than Atwater, IMO. On par with Ronnie Lott.

                        Steve though, had tremendous range, and was quite capable of covering most receivers, this is where he beats out Smith.

                        The only real knock on Atwater, was that he had hands of stone. Not a big interceptor. He was almost always in the right spot, just couldnt catch the danged thing.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by RunningWolf View Post
                          Nice thread!
                          My .02$

                          QB- John Elway. Peyton Manning.
                          Rb- TD!. Floyd Little. Clinton Portis.Howard Griffith. Otis Armstrong.
                          Wr- Rod Smith. DT. Lionel Taylor. Ed McCaffery. Vance Johnson.
                          TE- Shannon Sharpe.Riley Odoms. Clarence Kay.
                          OT- Gary Zimmerman. Tony Jones. Ryan Clady. Ken Lanier.
                          OG Mark Schlereth. Louis Vasquez. Keith Bishop.
                          C- Tom Nalen. Jerry Sturm

                          DE- Rich Jackson. Simon Fletcher. Alfred Williams. Rulon Jones.
                          Interior DL- Lyle Alzado. Trevor Pryce. Rubin Carter.
                          Outside LB- Von Miller. Tom Jackson. Bill Romanowski. John Mobley. Bob Swenson.
                          Inside LB- Randy Gradishar. Karl Mecklenburg. Al Wilson. Joe Rizzo
                          CB- Champ Bailey. Louie Wright. Chris Harris. Darrien Gordon. Tyrone "Chicken" Braxton.
                          Safety- Steve Atwater. Dennis Smith. Bill Thompson. Steve Foley.

                          K- Jason Elam
                          P- Tom Rouen
                          Return Specialist- Rick Upchurch
                          Long Snapper-Mike Leach

                          Theres my 53.
                          This looks pretty good:thumb:...but...
                          I'd scratch Portis and Kay, leaves 2TE, 3RB, & a FB...insert Kieth Traylor NT, and either Steve Watson or Mark Jackson @ WR, (going to flip a coin)!

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                          • #14
                            Box-Score Questions

                            Hey everyone, I had a few questions that have been bugging me regarding box-score stats on sacks and TFL's.

                            Do sacks count towards a players TFL count?
                            I always thought they did so I was under the impression if a players Season stat counts were something like 13 sacks and 20 TFL's then the player had 13 sacks and an additional 7 TFL's but I have seen single game box-scores in which the player has a registered sack but shows 0 for TFL's so it has me puzzled.

                            Also, if a players tackles a QB behind the line of scrimmage is it always considered a sack or does tackling a QB behind the line of scrimmage on a designed QB run register as a TFL? Or is this something reliant on whether the QB is out of the pocket or not?

                            Sorry if this is the wrong board to ask questions like this, I couldn't find a ?'s thread. Thanks for the help!

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                            • #15
                              Not sure on the first one but a designed qb run won't count as a sack. I've think the same applies to a fumbled snap.

                              But you can get a sack if the qb runs out of bounds before they cross the original line.




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