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  • JJBroncoFan
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    Originally posted by Freyaka View Post
    As pointed out before. The D gave it up right out of the gate...They were playing lousy before the offense even came into question....They deserve an equal share of blame.


    The offense for sure deserves blame, I just don't like the idea of defensive players calling out their defensive counterparts (warranted or not) because it shows that there is a growing division between the two units. What's the old proverb? A house divided against itself cannot stand?
    Not to mention that it comes off very differently to a single poster on a board than it does your teammates. I personally would have a problem with this, it's a team sport and you don't call out your guys like this. You win and lose together as a team. I bet he wouldn't like it if somebody on the offense said, "hey if the defense could tackle the lead we built would have stood."

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  • beastlyskronk
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    Originally posted by // / yardo View Post
    This right here. Thank you for understanding leverage and coverage assignments.
    Ok but both CBs played outside leverage against post routes. Roby was also beat badly on a crossing route going away from CH side of the field. What the safety did in that situation did not matter. If he goes to Harris, Talib gives up the TD. If he goes to Talib, Harris gives up the TD. And if Ben didn't want either of those Wheaton would have walked in on the underneath crossing route. Just a perfect call by the Steelers against that defense

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  • XterraRob
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    Originally posted by samparnell View Post
    I agree with that. The tackling was poor on the part of the DBs including Harris.
    You know on some of those missed tackles, I think they were reaching for a strip rather than focusing on bringing the player down. I was like "Not on 3rd down!!! Noooo!!!".

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  • Rancid
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    There is a lot of blame to go around. We wouldn't be blaming the coverage if we had a pass rush. Did Von Miller go on vacation?

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  • // / yardo
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    Originally posted by the0rangecrush View Post
    Because it was the Safeties fault? That play Keo should have been eliminating the inside, he didn't and Chris let him know.
    This right here. Thank you for understanding leverage and coverage assignments.

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  • bronx_2003
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    Originally posted by Freyaka View Post
    As pointed out before. The D gave it up right out of the gate...They were playing lousy before the offense even came into question....They deserve an equal share of blame.


    The offense for sure deserves blame, I just don't like the idea of defensive players calling out their defensive counterparts (warranted or not) because it shows that there is a growing division between the two units. What's the old proverb? A house divided against itself cannot stand?
    Didn't 2 of Pittsburgh's TD's come when the offense turned the ball over deep inside their own territory ?

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  • Freyaka
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    Originally posted by bronx_2003 View Post
    Harris stating 'last week it was the offense' isn't ground-breaking, everyone knows they were terrible including the players and coaches. It was one of the worst performances I have seen from an offense in a long time. Him saying 'this week was the D' was very good of him, he didn't complain about how often the O put them in a horrible position or the terrible second half performance.
    As pointed out before. The D gave it up right out of the gate...They were playing lousy before the offense even came into question....They deserve an equal share of blame.


    The offense for sure deserves blame, I just don't like the idea of defensive players calling out their defensive counterparts (warranted or not) because it shows that there is a growing division between the two units. What's the old proverb? A house divided against itself cannot stand?

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  • bronx_2003
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    Harris stating 'last week it was the offense' isn't ground-breaking, everyone knows they were terrible including the players and coaches. It was one of the worst performances I have seen from an offense in a long time. Him saying 'this week was the D' was very good of him, he didn't complain about how often the O put them in a horrible position or the terrible second half performance.

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  • Freyaka
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    Originally posted by floridabroncos View Post
    Have we as a fan base become this fickle and ready to jump off the train as soon as someone has a bad game. It's like the folks last week that were suddenly saying we should cut Osweiler and that he'll never be a quality starter in the NFL. I guess you folks don't remember the bad games that Elway had.
    I don't think anyone is really on Harris's case. I for sure am not. He had a bad game, it happens. He took responsibility for that and I like it. What I didn't like was that he was blaming the offense last week, but who knows, he knows them better than I, maybe that's what they need to hear.

    I don't think anyone is jumping off the harris train.

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  • floridabroncos
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    Have we as a fan base become this fickle and ready to jump off the train as soon as someone has a bad game. It's like the folks last week that were suddenly saying we should cut Osweiler and that he'll never be a quality starter in the NFL. I guess you folks don't remember the bad games that Elway had.

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  • bronx_2003
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    Originally posted by Freyaka View Post
    Our chances are equally dire regardless of who the QB is. Our issue isn't the QB position. Brock has played far better than Manning, but we just lack execution from the other skill players. Putting Manning in won't change a dang thing.

    The o deserves blame sure, but giving up 21 points in a half...That's bad form on the part of the D. It's not like you can even use the fact that they spent too much time on the field because they immediately started caving right after halftime before they even had the opportunity to get gassed. They just flat out got beat. Had the offense done anything we could have survived it, but the D deserves a healthy helping of the blame for this one...It is their job to keep points off the board regardless of what the offense does and they flat out didn't do it this week.
    Going 3/4 and out continuously in the second half and having Pitts keep starting at their own 40 plus was never going to end well. I thought the D did what they could most of the game, especially missing both safeties, but doing absolutely nothing in the second half on offense can never be acceptable..... and now it's happened in THREE straight games........ I see no reason a QB change won't happen

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  • samparnell
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    Originally posted by ForeverElway View Post
    I agree with you on that, but the missed tackles were the hard part for me to accept.
    I agree with that. The tackling was poor on the part of the DBs including Harris.

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  • samparnell
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    Originally posted by Peerless View Post
    Actually, the play in which Harris complained and argued with his safety was when he gave up the final touchdown... Josh Bush was the safety in on the play.
    That's my recollection, too. I think it was an unbalanced formation and Josh got caught looking a little too long at the strong side. It might have been better technique for Harris to have played inside leverage since the route looked like Post.

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  • Freyaka
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    Originally posted by bronx_2003 View Post
    Yep agreed, not a good game.

    IMO the D deserves some blame, but I put this loss more on the offense. Its why my stance hasn't changed since PM went down. Oz is for next season but PM needs to play as soon as he's healthy. With him we have a chance, with Brock we have zero chance imo ..... not saying it's all on him because the OL stinks but zero points in the last 3 second halfs is unheard of and when he's goes on a cold streak (as all young QB's do) we will get dumped out of the playoffs.
    Our chances are equally dire regardless of who the QB is. Our issue isn't the QB position. Brock has played far better than Manning, but we just lack execution from the other skill players. Putting Manning in won't change a dang thing.

    The o deserves blame sure, but giving up 21 points in a half...That's bad form on the part of the D. It's not like you can even use the fact that they spent too much time on the field because they immediately started caving right after halftime before they even had the opportunity to get gassed. They just flat out got beat. Had the offense done anything we could have survived it, but the D deserves a healthy helping of the blame for this one...It is their job to keep points off the board regardless of what the offense does and they flat out didn't do it this week.

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  • bronx_2003
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    Originally posted by Freyaka View Post
    I'm not saying there weren't issues, I'm not bashing him. I'm just saying, he had a bad game. Happens to the best of them, but he's right to put blame on himself. While there are others who deserve blame, he got beat badly this week. Not a huge deal, I like seeing him take some responsibility and I'm sure he'll play with a passion this week.
    Yep agreed, not a good game.

    IMO the D deserves some blame, but I put this loss more on the offense. Its why my stance hasn't changed since PM went down. Oz is for next season but PM needs to play as soon as he's healthy. With him we have a chance, with Brock we have zero chance imo ..... not saying it's all on him because the OL stinks but zero points in the last 3 second halfs is unheard of and when he's goes on a cold streak (as all young QB's do) we will get dumped out of the playoffs.

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