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  • Grandpa
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    Think of it this way: it's a mental and spiritual view of the task before you. Harken (love that word, it doesn't get used enough, in my opinion) .... harken back to the days when the settlers were "moving west." They left St Louis or Joplin heading out to reach "Californy or Bust." They left their comfort zones ... homes, friends, basic civilization ... to trek across hundreds and hundreds of miles in wagons that might or might not have made it, leaving them stranded hundreds of miles from the nearest town or city. Extreme weather conditions were encountered, as well as the ever-present threats of highway gangs, Indian attacks, running out of food and water, animal injuries requiring they be put down. But at the forefront of everything they did was the desire and determination to make it to "Californy." Same set-up with the gold rushers of California and Alaska, the rebuilding of San Francisco after the 1906 quake, getting to the moon, etc.

    It's aiming for an outcome (winning the Super Bowl) and doing everything within the organization's power and means to get there. If that outlook ... call it attitude, if you wish ... and that level of drive, determination, and will isn't there every time the team takes the field, the organization needs to rethink what it's doing, why it's doing it, and maybe pick another game to play that doesn't require that much effort and will power.

    Super Bowl or Bust!!!!!

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  • CanDB
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    Originally posted by listopencil View Post
    I think of it as an attitude. The goal every year being build a team that is capable of winning a Super Bowl. Kind of like that old Shanny thing of "we're not rebuilding, we're reloading." You take a succession of risks on personnel. That's what I meant about PFM/Oz. Signing PFM was a pretty big risk. A lot of people were basically calling him a cripple and assuming he could never play at a high level after the surgeries. That risk paid off big time, and it was a big time risk. We just took another risk by letting Oz walk. The FO decided that the risk of paying him big money wasn't worth the impact on our cap. That's a big time risk as well. We'll find out if it pays off. Either way, taking risks like that comes across to me as "Super Bowl or bust."
    OK.....we have slightly different versions, but I do like your thought process.

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  • FL BRONCO
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    Its always SB or bust imo

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  • listopencil
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    Originally posted by CanDB View Post
    Maybe I come from a different planet, but for me, when you say it's all or nothing so to speak, it conveys that you may take huge risks to win it all, which may hinder the long term situation. From that sense, I don't buy the SB or bust label. If folks see SB or bust as a process by which you aim to win it each and every year, without taking big risks that may set you back, then sure.

    Like I say, in the old days people would say all or nothing, which often meant they were prepared to take a bath if things went wrong.

    (I prefer showers)
    I think of it as an attitude. The goal every year being build a team that is capable of winning a Super Bowl. Kind of like that old Shanny thing of "we're not rebuilding, we're reloading." You take a succession of risks on personnel. That's what I meant about PFM/Oz. Signing PFM was a pretty big risk. A lot of people were basically calling him a cripple and assuming he could never play at a high level after the surgeries. That risk paid off big time, and it was a big time risk. We just took another risk by letting Oz walk. The FO decided that the risk of paying him big money wasn't worth the impact on our cap. That's a big time risk as well. We'll find out if it pays off. Either way, taking risks like that comes across to me as "Super Bowl or bust."

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  • CanDB
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    Originally posted by listopencil View Post
    I mean that the FO is going to make any move they can to make the team a contender for the Super Bowl every single year. Take the QB position. Years ago PFM was available. They did what they had to do to sign him and fit his salary under the cap. They sunk a ton of cap space into one position because he was worth it. Now look at this year. Osweiler wanted a big fat payday. They let him walk because he didn't show that he was worth it. They will make decisions every year to field a team that can contend for a Super Bowl. Sometimes that means signing people. Sometimes that means letting people go. It's the same goal every year and every decision is based on that.
    Maybe I come from a different planet, but for me, when you say it's all or nothing so to speak, it conveys that you may take huge risks to win it all, which may hinder the long term situation. From that sense, I don't buy the SB or bust label. If folks see SB or bust as a process by which you aim to win it each and every year, without taking big risks that may set you back, then sure.

    Like I say, in the old days people would say all or nothing, which often meant they were prepared to take a bath if things went wrong.

    (I prefer showers)

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  • Grandpa
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    Originally posted by osfantaztic View Post
    There is no 'P' in TEAM
    There is no "O" in team, either .... or "J", or "B", or "Q", or "L", or 16 other letters. What's your point?

    As to the post title, it had BETTER be "Super Bowl or Bust" EVERY season or we're playing the wrong game. Or as the Range Instructor once said, "Aim for the head, settle for center mass." :thumb: If we're not going for the big dance every time we take the field, someone needs to re-think why we're even IN the NFL.

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  • Fantaztic7
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    Originally posted by Chrissy View Post
    True I will defend Peyton to the end no doubt about that but with good reason..Peyton like Elway is the best to ever lace them up and he gets a lot of criticism because he was so dang good..hes always been a victim of his own success .as far as what Elway did buy bringing him here he wasn't selling a football game but instead was selling an organization and a championship..both were delivered to my team ,,team P that's me and as such even though I don't always agree w/ Elways moves at times I will defend him when things are not always going as fans think they should.
    There is no 'P' in TEAM

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  • Chrissy
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    Originally posted by Blanket24 View Post
    Well said chrissy, usually I feel you come from an overly biased manning view point (nothing wrong with that I might add, it was a pleasure watching him do his thing at the top of his game from 12 to 14) but you are spot on here. Manning wasn't brought in to sell tickets, we all know the broncos have no problem doing that. He absolutely was brought to Denver to win a Super bowl.
    True I will defend Peyton to the end no doubt about that but with good reason..Peyton like Elway is the best to ever lace them up and he gets a lot of criticism because he was so dang good..hes always been a victim of his own success .as far as what Elway did buy bringing him here he wasn't selling a football game but instead was selling an organization and a championship..both were delivered to my team ,,team P that's me and as such even though I don't always agree w/ Elways moves at times I will defend him when things are not always going as fans think they should.

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  • Chronoless
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    Originally posted by Blanket24 View Post
    Manning wasn't brought in to sell tickets, we all know the broncos have no problem doing that. He absolutely was brought to Denver to win a Super bowl.
    My brother told me that when we sign Manning, that he was here to sell season tickets, I told him to go try and sign up, theres a waiting period. Broncos dont need to sell tickets, WE SUPPORT OUR TEAM, even if they suck.

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  • Blanket24
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    Originally posted by Chrissy View Post
    But it was.. Heres what people don't understand.. Elway and Peyton both being NFL QB's were defined by SB's ..its the way that is , it doesn't make it fair because other players it doesn't matter but QB's people decide their worth by SB wins.. so imo that's why Elway kept saying SB or bust ,,it was their purpose of bringing Peyton to Denver and if people are being honest he brought success back to Denver a success that hasn't been seen in Denver consistently since Elway. However now imo its sure the goal is to win the SB as every teams goal is until things come together its more of goal is to be competitive if a SB happens then its a bonus.
    Well said chrissy, usually I feel you come from an overly biased manning view point (nothing wrong with that I might add, it was a pleasure watching him do his thing at the top of his game from 12 to 14) but you are spot on here. Manning wasn't brought in to sell tickets, we all know the broncos have no problem doing that. He absolutely was brought to Denver to win a Super bowl.

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  • Chrissy
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    Originally posted by DarkHorse26 View Post
    Yeah. He mentioned the Manning window. Now we get to see another thread turn into the same "If it wasn't for Manning..." garbage.
    If you watched the Broncos the last 4 years and listened to Elway then you would have heard him say that players were added and deleted because of Peyton.. I hope you don't think that last year was the making of the SB..lol because it wasn't.. it took adding and deleting the players to get it done.. You should listen to some of Elways interviews , its very interesting on this subject..

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  • Chrissy
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    Originally posted by Hadez View Post
    No one thought we were going to win last year...yet those Bronco themed Rings are in the works. Why u already assigning the blame for next year when we have not even drafted yet?

    Doom and gloom much?
    Correction..you need to go back and look at ALL of my posts .. I NEVER faltered ,,I said ALL ALONG even when the threads of oh Peyton would never take another snap sillness was going on.. I SAID THAT PEYTON AND THE BRONOS WOULD WIN SB 50.. so
    Its not doom and gloom Ii am telling you what I believe to be the way its going to go down and if you read my posts its actually taking up for Elway which I don't do a lot.. its re4building time.. the Broncos just won a SB w/ Peyton which was the SB or bust years..Peyton is now retired, players that were part of the SB team are now playing for other teams ..Elway cant not get players to take these guys when the guys are not the4re to get.. its a HUGE difference when you have a plan that has been in place for 3 years prior as opposed to replacing what isn't there to be replaced with.. In other words give Elway a pass for the next few years..its going to take some time.. Rome wasn't built in a day.

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  • Gbt31
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    Broncos win the Superbowl...plaint and simple. Not Peyton Manning, not Von Miller, not Derek Wolfe....the Broncos won. Story over.

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  • listopencil
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    Originally posted by CanDB View Post
    Define "bust".

    My take, which may be wrong, is _____ or bust means you are throwing everything but the kitchen sink to win it all. That's not how I would approach each season. Sometimes longer term goals dictate that you do not throw everything (but the kitchen sink) at winning The SB that specific year. The downside is pretty steep if you sell the farm.
    I mean that the FO is going to make any move they can to make the team a contender for the Super Bowl every single year. Take the QB position. Years ago PFM was available. They did what they had to do to sign him and fit his salary under the cap. They sunk a ton of cap space into one position because he was worth it. Now look at this year. Osweiler wanted a big fat payday. They let him walk because he didn't show that he was worth it. They will make decisions every year to field a team that can contend for a Super Bowl. Sometimes that means signing people. Sometimes that means letting people go. It's the same goal every year and every decision is based on that.

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  • CanDB
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    Originally posted by listopencil View Post
    Every year is SB or bust. Every year. Every single year.
    Define "bust".

    My take, which may be wrong, is _____ or bust means you are throwing everything but the kitchen sink to win it all. That's not how I would approach each season. Sometimes longer term goals dictate that you do not throw everything (but the kitchen sink) at winning The SB that specific year. The downside is pretty steep if you sell the farm.

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