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  • #46
    I am curious to see how much of the N.E. continued success is the main offensive players (Brady and Gronk), and how much of it is Bellicheat?

    I'm suspect that what we're seeing here is the beginning of the dominance of the league by the Broncos. Elway sure seems to get it.
    A lot of NE's success has to do not only with Belicheat, but his football savant friend, Ernie Adams. More and more people are becoming aware of this guy, but he still doesn't get enough play as far as I'm concerned.

    Also, I think that Gronk is the MVP of that team, not Brady. Gronk made the two plays at the end of the AFC Title Game for them to have a chance. He is to them what Bill Walton was to Portland in the 70's. If Walton and Gronk are healthy, their teams are title contenders. If not, not so much.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Steamboat7 View Post
      Both Sanchez and Kaepernik (if we can get him) have had a bad go of it lately, but there have been plenty of cases where a change of team/coach/system has resulted in a renaissance for a QB that everyone had given up on. There are countless examples of younger QB's finding or re-finding their mojo. Here are a few examples of old QB's who had a second life:

      Drew Bledsoe - went from New England to Buffalo and had at least one very strong year

      Norm Van Brocklin - considered washed up by the Rams, went on to win the NFL title for Philly in 1960

      Warren Moon - after several great years in Houston was traded to Minnesota and had two 4000 yard seasons.

      Joe Montana - ditched by SF, went to KC and had two winning seasons

      Peyton Manning - we know that story

      Y.A. Tittle - another SF QB was ditched by the 49ers and went on to 31-5-1 record with the Giants (!!!)
      Here's a couple more, and a bit more fitting since they went from bad teams to good, well run teams

      Brett Farve terrible rookie season with ATL, sent to GB and crushed it for years to come.
      Steve Young terrible in Tampa went and crushed it for years to come
      vinny testeverde, not good at all in Cleveland did very well in NYJ for several years.

      A new team that is well run wiht good talent can turn around a player that has skill and drive. Lets see if that can happen for Mark or Kap or even RG3 here. if not well it was worth a shot.
      GO BRONCOS AFC Champs!!!
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      • #48
        Originally posted by duhyaj View Post
        Here's a couple more, and a bit more fitting since they went from bad teams to good, well run teams

        Brett Farve terrible rookie season with ATL, sent to GB and crushed it for years to come.
        Steve Young terrible in Tampa went and crushed it for years to come
        vinny testeverde, not good at all in Cleveland did very well in NYJ for several years.

        A new team that is well run wiht good talent can turn around a player that has skill and drive. Lets see if that can happen for Mark or Kap or even RG3 here. if not well it was worth a shot.
        Rich Gannon was pretty much a journeyman then went to Oakland and killed it for a 4 year stretch, culminating with an MVP and a Super Bowl appearance

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        • #49
          Originally posted by bigdog1002 View Post
          Rich Gannon was pretty much a journeyman then went to Oakland and killed it for a 4 year stretch, culminating with an MVP and a Super Bowl appearance
          Jim Plunkett was drafted #1 overall by the New England Patriots and was a starter had some early success but then struggled was traded to San Fransico for two years, started off ok then faultered and eventually was released and then he ended up in Oakland and wound up winning two Superbowls.

          Kurt Warner - won a Superbowl with Rams ended up in New York struggled was benched and then revived career in Arizona and was an amazing catch by Santonio Holmes away from his second Superbowl ring.
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