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  • #31
    Originally posted by -Rod- View Post
    This team won the division 5 consecutive years and suddenly, when the team is going through a rough season (by our high standards), some fans just loose it and start analyzing the smallest details of each game and look back in hindsight to judge what players and coaches should have done after we know the results.

    The bottom line is that the team is playing very poorly on offense. And, because the offense is so bad, each mistake on that side of the ball is magnified. One drop is a killer. One fumble changes everything - because it's so hard for the offense to get anything going.

    The games have 4 quarters for the team to make plays and win. Why not look at all plays that went wrong instead of singling Bennie Fowler out?

    The defense allowed yet another TD on the opening drive. The defense allowed 180 rushing yards. The defense also allowed a long TD drive at the end of the 4th quarter against the Chiefs, when a stop would have give us the win. They even let the Chiefs convert a 4th & 10. They have faltered too, though they are by far the best unit on the team and might be physically exhausted after so many 3 & outs by the offense.

    The execution on offense has been a joke. Forsett's fumble cost 3 points. 3 points were the difference in the game. Derby's fumble just sealed the deal. Fowler's dropped pass was a killer. But so was Siemian missing a wide open D Thomas in the corner of the endzone. He was late with the throw, allowed the CB to recover.

    Stokley also said today that Taylor's busted play in the redzone could have been a TD but he ran the wrong route. There are many missed opportunities. And then there's the running game. Or should I say, there isn't a running game. 1 yard? 2 yards? We can't get it. Schofield dives and blocks the grass. Key penalties by the o-line. Huge false start by Okung. Holding calls against Paradis, Stephenson.

    The offense is suffering to get a damn 1st down. A first down feels like a TD for these guys. And we're going to blame everything on one play? There's a lot of things going wrong, a lot of plays that made the team lose these games.

    Although the defense gave up 180 yards rushing they only allowed 88 passing and 13 points. In the first half the Titans offense had possession for 21 minutes and it all goes back to our offense. Even the opening drive and TD by the Titans had to do with the offense not being able to convert on 2nd and 1 and 3rd and 1. Forsett then fumbled after a run that would have been a 1st down. On another drive Forsett had a 33 yard run called back on a holding penalty. Let's not forget the Titans best defensive player Casey was out for the game and we still couldn't run the ball.

    Sure Fowler should have made the catch however that was one play.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Fantaztic7 View Post
      Although the defense gave up 180 yards rushing they only allowed 88 passing and 13 points. In the first half the Titans offense had possession for 21 minutes and it all goes back to our offense. Even the opening drive and TD by the Titans had to do with the offense not being able to convert on 2nd and 1 and 3rd and 1. Forsett then fumbled after a run that would have been a 1st down. On another drive Forsett had a 33 yard run called back on a holding penalty. Let's not forget the Titans best defensive player Casey was out for the game and we still couldn't run the ball.

      Sure Fowler should have made the catch however that was one play.
      If the Titans OC hadn't seemed so hell bent on Mariota passing I'm not sure Denver's offense even gets the ball. That run defense is bad, so bad. And the Titans OC was the one most responsible for it making stops in the first half.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Letswinplz77 View Post
        We didn't need to make it in. We led by 1, all we needed to do was eat up another minute or so of clock, make KC use timeouts, and kick a field goal. They would have still needed a TD and had much less time to get it.

        At the very least he could have run the endzone line and taken off a few seconds, like Brandon Stokely did against Cincinnati in 2009. Kill as much clock as possible. Being talented is apparently not the same as being smart.
        Yeah to bad there was more than a minute left. If you can not run out the clock you do not take a knee. O just east up some of it and have the fg blocked and returned for a td. You take the points every time if you can not take knees and end the game. To many variables come into play otherwise.

        Your perfect scenario of milk clock and kick a fg to give them less time is countered by the perfect defense stops a struggling offense and ends the game.

        Worse case scenario played out which is equal to milking the clock and having the fg block and returned. Kind of similar to what we did to the saints.




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        • #34
          Originally posted by -Rod- View Post
          This team won the division 5 consecutive years and suddenly, when the team is going through a rough season (by our high standards), some fans just loose it and start analyzing the smallest details of each game and look back in hindsight to judge what players and coaches should have done after we know the results.

          The bottom line is that the team is playing very poorly on offense. And, because the offense is so bad, each mistake on that side of the ball is magnified. One drop is a killer. One fumble changes everything - because it's so hard for the offense to get anything going.

          The games have 4 quarters for the team to make plays and win. Why not look at all plays that went wrong instead of singling Bennie Fowler out?

          The defense allowed yet another TD on the opening drive. The defense allowed 180 rushing yards. The defense also allowed a long TD drive at the end of the 4th quarter against the Chiefs, when a stop would have give us the win. They even let the Chiefs convert a 4th & 10. They have faltered too, though they are by far the best unit on the team and might be physically exhausted after so many 3 & outs by the offense.

          The execution on offense has been a joke. Forsett's fumble cost 3 points. 3 points were the difference in the game. Derby's fumble just sealed the deal. Fowler's dropped pass was a killer. But so was Siemian missing a wide open D Thomas in the corner of the endzone. He was late with the throw, allowed the CB to recover.

          Stokley also said today that Taylor's busted play in the redzone could have been a TD but he ran the wrong route. There are many missed opportunities. And then there's the running game. Or should I say, there isn't a running game. 1 yard? 2 yards? We can't get it. Schofield dives and blocks the grass. Key penalties by the o-line. Huge false start by Okung. Holding calls against Paradis, Stephenson.

          The offense is suffering to get a damn 1st down. A first down feels like a TD for these guys. And we're going to blame everything on one play? There's a lot of things going wrong, a lot of plays that made the team lose these games.
          From 2012-2014 we had an offense that could overcome the mistakes. DT and Decker dropped plenty of passes, Manning at times missed open receivers, fumbles and interceptions happened. All these same mistakes have happened this year, probably at the same rate, the difference like you said the offense is so poor everything is under a magnifying glass, every mistake is devastating.

          2013 DT drops a pass, Manning comes back the next play and hits him with a longer pass. 2016 a pass is dropped, the next 5+ plays are a run for no gain, a sack, an incomplete pass and so on.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Butler By'Note View Post
            If the Titans OC hadn't seemed so hell bent on Mariota passing I'm not sure Denver's offense even gets the ball. That run defense is bad, so bad. And the Titans OC was the one most responsible for it making stops in the first half.
            We said the same thing at the game with the Broncos fans around us. The late decision by their OC to pass was a good call - they got the first down, used clock and then punted to pin us deep.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Fantaztic7 View Post
              Although the defense gave up 180 yards rushing they only allowed 88 passing and 13 points. In the first half the Titans offense had possession for 21 minutes and it all goes back to our offense. Even the opening drive and TD by the Titans had to do with the offense not being able to convert on 2nd and 1 and 3rd and 1. Forsett then fumbled after a run that would have been a 1st down. On another drive Forsett had a 33 yard run called back on a holding penalty. Let's not forget the Titans best defensive player Casey was out for the game and we still couldn't run the ball.

              Sure Fowler should have made the catch however that was one play.
              Have to blame the playcalling for the poor start... second & 1 on the first drive, and third and 1, & we pass first 3 plays of the game?

              We struggle to run and on third downs and with three and outs... and we treat second and short as a free play and throw it? No way!

              Set the tone, get in a rhythm, play field position and run it on second and third of need be and get that first 1st down under your belt.

              Then, after going 3-&-out and fumbling, down 10-0, we run ball on third and 6 inches? Why? Why turn and hand ball to Boomer 6 yards behind LOS? Just tell your 6"5' QB to sneak it and fall forward.

              IMHO, both those 3 and outs were on the coaches. Then, thru abandon the run bc their coaching stunk?

              We had a run of 9 and a run of 30 spoiled bc of a fumble and a penalty.... why throw OL all the blame! Playcalling just as brutal.

              Same scenario at end of first half.... 10 yards away from a FG and we can't call a play to get a guy open in space to gain enough yards for a FG?

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              • #37
                I'm obviously no NFL coach or scout, but I don't see how Fowler is back next year. Latimer too, for that matter.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by broncoslover115 View Post
                  So it sounds like the lesson is...stop throwing to Fowler in critical situations, yes?
                  I suppose so. Ultimately what I saw was Fowler get subbed in instead of Taylor. So we saw twould missed plays by Fowler and yet Taylor overall seems to be playing much better. To be more direct I am seeing a lot of Norwood type play from Fowler...Mediocre not great.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by -Rod- View Post
                    This team won the division 5 consecutive years and suddenly, when the team is going through a rough season (by our high standards), some fans just loose it and start analyzing the smallest details of each game and look back in hindsight to judge what players and coaches should have done after we know the results.

                    The bottom line is that the team is playing very poorly on offense. And, because the offense is so bad, each mistake on that side of the ball is magnified. One drop is a killer. One fumble changes everything - because it's so hard for the offense to get anything going.

                    The games have 4 quarters for the team to make plays and win. Why not look at all plays that went wrong instead of singling Bennie Fowler out?

                    The defense allowed yet another TD on the opening drive. The defense allowed 180 rushing yards. The defense also allowed a long TD drive at the end of the 4th quarter against the Chiefs, when a stop would have give us the win. They even let the Chiefs convert a 4th & 10. They have faltered too, though they are by far the best unit on the team and might be physically exhausted after so many 3 & outs by the offense.

                    The execution on offense has been a joke. Forsett's fumble cost 3 points. 3 points were the difference in the game. Derby's fumble just sealed the deal. Fowler's dropped pass was a killer. But so was Siemian missing a wide open D Thomas in the corner of the endzone. He was late with the throw, allowed the CB to recover.

                    Stokley also said today that Taylor's busted play in the redzone could have been a TD but he ran the wrong route. There are many missed opportunities. And then there's the running game. Or should I say, there isn't a running game. 1 yard? 2 yards? We can't get it. Schofield dives and blocks the grass. Key penalties by the o-line. Huge false start by Okung. Holding calls against Paradis, Stephenson.

                    The offense is suffering to get a damn 1st down. A first down feels like a TD for these guys. And we're going to blame everything on one play? There's a lot of things going wrong, a lot of plays that made the team lose these games.
                    That's a very fine post.
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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by fraguela09 View Post
                      Have to blame the playcalling for the poor start... second & 1 on the first drive, and third and 1, & we pass first 3 plays of the game?

                      We struggle to run and on third downs and with three and outs... and we treat second and short as a free play and throw it? No way!

                      Set the tone, get in a rhythm, play field position and run it on second and third of need be and get that first 1st down under your belt.

                      Then, after going 3-&-out and fumbling, down 10-0, we run ball on third and 6 inches? Why? Why turn and hand ball to Boomer 6 yards behind LOS? Just tell your 6"5' QB to sneak it and fall forward.

                      IMHO, both those 3 and outs were on the coaches. Then, thru abandon the run bc their coaching stunk?

                      We had a run of 9 and a run of 30 spoiled bc of a fumble and a penalty.... why throw OL all the blame! Playcalling just as brutal.

                      Same scenario at end of first half.... 10 yards away from a FG and we can't call a play to get a guy open in space to gain enough yards for a FG?
                      We were there with thousands of Broncos fans and could see so many people around us like, "Not again...another slow start".

                      I don't mind going for a deep pass on 2nd and 1 because sometimes you hit those. Just seeing 3 straight passes was like Groundhog Day from a few games.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Butler By'Note View Post
                        Not getting it on 4th down is what put Tennessee in bad field position to punt, allowing Denver to get the punt return/penalty to get in position to score the touchdown. They kick the 3 there, maybe they don't score the TD?

                        With as bad as the Broncos O had been to that point, needing a fake punt to even get in that position, it's reasonable for the coach to assume they might not be able to get back in scoring position 2 more times, going for the TD was the right call at that point in the game.

                        Now dealing with Fowler, the Broncos lost yesterday for 25 different reasons, Fowler was 1 of them.
                        Haha,
                        That fake punt was a thing of beauty, It sure caught me off guard, and couldn't believe we did it.

                        But, if we would've kick the 3, then on the kickoff they return and fumble we have a chance at the TD again.
                        Point being, anything and everything happens in football, and my lesson learned, is never leave the RZ with no points, especially when you had three chance to punch it in and couldn't.
                        I understand there is many ways to coach a game, and styles of coaching are always different, which is why football is so fun to watch.

                        Also saying 25 reasons why Broncos lost is probably being generous too.
                        lol
                        To me it was / is a team loss, and one I hope we learned from, one way or another.
                        NE will determine if we have the playoffs to look forward to now. Just can't us doing anything but 1 and done if we can't beat the pats at home. As The road to the SB for the AFC will lead through NE, and Gillette Stadium . IMO

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