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  • #16
    Seeing their prevent 3 man rush D get to Trev in about 1.5 seconds made me realise how screwed we are
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    • #17
      Originally posted by FR Tim View Post
      Not to be a naysayer but you are stating if you give an NFL QB a really good o-line protection , a run game and chemistry with his receivers he can be successful? Doesn't that apply to every one of them? What separates the good QBs from the average is the ability to overcome the the myriad of things that can go wrong in a game.

      Just about every QB to make it in the NFL has the talent to be there. There is a long list of QBs that "under the right situation" can be a starter. Siemian is getting his chance to run a horrible offense because the Broncos had no other choice once they backed themselves into a corner, not because he is the preferred QB.

      Siemian is a a wonderful story of overcoming the odds and apparently a really nice young man.. He is even a decent competent QB in the NFL. His family should be proud. I just do not see the long term faith some of you are giving him.

      Maybe it is my own misguided bias, but I am still seeing a limited journeyman QB in Siemian. His play yesterday was indicative of what we have seen all year long except on a few occasions. Uninspired. Do not get me wrong, not blaming all the offensive issues on him, just not ready to anoint him the continued starter based on this season.

      I will not be surprised to see him have a long career as a backup "looking for his next great opportunity to start. Add him to the long list of marginal QBs like Hoyer, A. Davis, Sanchez or Fitzpatrick. Give it five years and a couple of teams hoping to see the QB that "won games in Denver". Siemian will fit right in on that list.


      Look at how many quarterbacks failed behind Dallas's offensive line and running game when Romo went down in previous years.

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      • #18
        Very sad performance by the offense for the season although Siemien has sure improved and he is no doubt the future. Our o-line is horrible or even worse than that and I was frustrated that DT dropped the bomb - he had to just catch that. I think Siemien must feel frustrated as he is rushed relentlessly on every play, there is no run game and to top it off his receivers.t ends are dropping the ball. No more zone blocking please, it is not what works these days.

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        • #19
          Take away yesterday's drops and who knows what the outcome would have been......

          I don't get the excuses. These are some of the same receiver(s) dropping tebows passes and blaming the opposite ball rotation.

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          • #20
            Siemian just has not seen enough Ds to know where to go as quickly as a vet, it has to come with experience. But drafting Paxton Lynch, and having one foot in no man's land, is not going to do Broncos any favors in the short term when they still have this level of defensive talent to contend.

            Are you going to invest in Siemian's development or Lynch's development?
            Are you going to invest around Siemian's skills and talents or Lynch's skills and talents?

            It is a decision the Broncos have to make. If they feel Lynch is not ready but want him to be ready, the only way to get him ready is to take the lumps as a team, having a losing season or two and let him learn in the line of fire. If they feel Siemian gives them the best chance to win while Lynch is on his rookie contract, let Siemian know with an extension for 2 or 3 years that he is their guy and invest around his skills for a couple of years.

            Siemian is only going to get better but if they do not shore up the OL, he will end up missing more games than the Broncos want him to.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by chad72 View Post
              Siemian just has not seen enough Ds to know where to go as quickly as a vet, it has to come with experience. But drafting Paxton Lynch, and having one foot in no man's land, is not going to do Broncos any favors in the short term when they still have this level of defensive talent to contend.

              Are you going to invest in Siemian's development or Lynch's development?
              Are you going to invest around Siemian's skills and talents or Lynch's skills and talents?

              It is a decision the Broncos have to make. If they feel Lynch is not ready but want him to be ready, the only way to get him ready is to take the lumps as a team, having a losing season or two and let him learn in the line of fire. If they feel Siemian gives them the best chance to win while Lynch is on his rookie contract, let Siemian know with an extension for 2 or 3 years that he is their guy and invest around his skills for a couple of years.

              Siemian is only going to get better but if they do not shore up the OL, he will end up missing more games than the Broncos want him to.
              I THINK siemiens was a stop gap between Manning and Lynch. A QB capable of starting as the young QB learns things in the background. I think Elways assessment was/is correct. I just don't think Elway knew how Badly the Oline would regress.

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              • #22
                There's a double standard around here in how long Trevor's leash is, and that of Paxton.

                Both are essentially rookies (yes, I know TS is a second year player, but he had no in-game experience last year). Paxton came in from a better draft status. Right now, Trevor is unequivocally lightyears ahead of Paxton in virtually every aspect of the game, but few people are willing to let Siemian go through the steep uphill climb that young QBs (even Brady or Manning back in the day) had to go through. The general notion is that if we just let Paxton do that, it'll be a rough year or so but then we'll be a 40 pt/game kind of offense.

                There's no reason to believe Paxton will ever be ahead of Simian based on what we've seen. Maybe he will. Either way, we don't currently run an offense designed to put up big points.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Jim Benoit View Post
                  I lurk a little here but wanted just say I like your young QB. He IMO wasn't the reason for the loss yesterday.

                  Yeah 90% of our loses are because of our 'do-nothing' offense.

                  Hell 90% of our wins are 'close' wins because of our 'do-nothing' offense.

                  I say it all starts up front and until we get an NFL-caliber starting offensive line our offense will remain a 'do-nothing' offense and will continue to serve as every opponent's best defense.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Jim Benoit View Post
                    I THINK siemiens was a stop gap between Manning and Lynch. A QB capable of starting as the young QB learns things in the background. I think Elways assessment was/is correct. I just don't think Elway knew how Badly the Oline would regress.
                    Elway needs to play free agency for OL, let Siemian test the market, and go all in with Lynch then starting with the offseason then. Siemian will start somewhere else if Elway does not extend him. Then, your franchise will have short term pain with the talent on D wasted away for another year at least, IMO.

                    Draft picks for OL take a LONG time to develop. Skill positions can easily be addressed in the draft, just not OL and DL. Spend the money on the OL, and get the rest from the draft with some speed infused in with smaller shiftier wide outs and RBs that should be available to augment your current wide outs.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Jim Benoit View Post
                      First I will say NO WB will be good or great without at least an average O line in front of them. Right now IMO the Broncos O line in the bottom 1/3rd of the league.

                      Also chemistry? I consider that type of mistake being a WR Runs an out when the QB expects a slant not the QB hits THEM on your numbers and THEY drop the football. Drops happen but not as much as they did at least yesterday for Denver.

                      Running Game, again even Great QBs need the threat of a running game. (3-4 yards a carry) but a young QB needs it even more as they don't have the experience of reading D like a Brady, Rogers, Bree's etc.

                      IMO Siemiens played as well as any reasnable person would expect. He made one mistake and had numerous easy catches dropped which per experts really screws with a QB confidence.

                      I'm not saying Siemien is a HOF QB, but I think he is a starting caliber QB.
                      That is so true about the balance and the need to rely on your running game and receivers, and the note of what experience brings. I think the schedule that the Broncos has played and has yet to play is as hard as it could be, and it is tough on a young QB. Tom Brady and Peyton Manning had to hone their skills as well, and Peyton's ability to get his teammates into the best situation presnap and Tom Brady's ability to adjust post snap did not come without a lot of live bullets.

                      Trevor might shine a bit and then falter, but his ability to read the game seems to be very good for a young QB.

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                      • #26
                        The worst thing you can do to a young Quarterback is place him behind a poor offensive line. Trevor has seemed to have relative success despite a poor OL. One thing I like is for a first year starter, he hasn't committed many turnovers, which I think shows maturity. To do this with an extremely subpar offensive unit shows he deserves a chance with some better protection.

                        Another terrible thing for a young quarterback is a constantly changing scheme. Successful franchise quarterbacks aren't changing playbooks often.

                        I'm likely in the minority here, but I believe the Sam Bradford's, Blaine Gabbert's, and Blake Bortles's of the world would have very different careers if they go to teams with a solid line and some coaching continuity.

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                        • #27
                          IF you consider how terrible the O-Line and Run game has been... how little time he has and he's still playing as well as he has...

                          Fix that O-Line and give him a little bit of a running game to open things up and I think TS is the future and can be elite. The kid is wicked smart and Kubes has constantly said he can take in a TON of information (something Lynch has been struggling with). He's starting to make a lot of audibles and get guys lined up too. He's recognizing defenses and taking advantage. I think he's got a really high ceiling.

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                          • #28
                            As good as he is, and I agree except he seems to have a bit lead in his butt and can't get 1st downs with his legs like most young QBs do, and/or get out of bounds safely. His agility is lacking and that's why it's imperative he has to have a Grade A Oline in front of him, which should've been done by the front office when TS makes peanuts for $s. The powers to be should've put more $s up for a better Oline. Maybe Trevor can go on the Brady diet and become "pliable" thus allowing the franchise to slide on Oline pay.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by chad72 View Post
                              Siemian just has not seen enough Ds to know where to go as quickly as a vet, it has to come with experience. But drafting Paxton Lynch, and having one foot in no man's land, is not going to do Broncos any favors in the short term when they still have this level of defensive talent to contend.

                              Are you going to invest in Siemian's development or Lynch's development?
                              Are you going to invest around Siemian's skills and talents or Lynch's skills and talents?

                              It is a decision the Broncos have to make. If they feel Lynch is not ready but want him to be ready, the only way to get him ready is to take the lumps as a team, having a losing season or two and let him learn in the line of fire. If they feel Siemian gives them the best chance to win while Lynch is on his rookie contract, let Siemian know with an extension for 2 or 3 years that he is their guy and invest around his skills for a couple of years.

                              Siemian is only going to get better but if they do not shore up the OL, he will end up missing more games than the Broncos want him to.
                              There is absolutely no reason to go with Paxton Lynch given the performances Trevor is putting up. He is playing the mental game at high level and there is no garantee that Lynch will matarialise. TS has done great and he is improving. We are playing the toughest division in football right now and he is improving.

                              In a parallel universe I would have liked to see where Tebow would have been now, as he produced a lot better against the Pats as a young inexperienced QB needing time to refine his craft. Lets praise Trevor for where he is now, and hope that he is a strong building block. Our key issues are run defense and running game/o-line.

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                              • #30
                                Oh OP I bet you love some Semian. He gave your team a rare win in Denver scoring only 3 points despite the broncos defense completely shutting terrific Tom down. And good old pet project Semian had a 0% 3rd down conversion rate in the second half at home. I would bet you and other patriots fans hope Kubiak rolls with this next version of the texans QBs the patriots always had fun knocking them out of the playoffs due to no QB that could compete with Brady.

                                The patriots love them some Trevor "Kyle Orton" Semian.

                                I bet raider, chiefs and charger fans feel the same.

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