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  • I'm convinced that this is the greatest defense of all time!

    After watching the Broncos defense hold the supposed "goat" Tom Brady to 16 points yesterday and witnessing the time that they were on field, yet they still managed to stifle Brady and pretty much shut down the NE Offense for most of the day, there isn't (IMO) a team in all of history that can do what the no fly zone just did.

    Lets not Forget that Norwood fumbled the Broncos territory on a pot return which put New England and very good field position to kick a field goal so in all reality the Broncos health Tom Brady to 13 points but you can factor in the zero TD passes from Brady and say that the Broncos defense pretty much held Tom Brady scoreless.




    If you were to give this Broncos defense the 85 bears or 2000 ravens offense, they'd be winning back to back Super Bowls again.

    It is very unfortunate yet typical Murphy's law that once a team has the greatest defense of all time that they'd have to suffer through the most idiotic Offense and offensive scheme of all time.

  • #2
    Disagree

    Originally posted by Sam_Z View Post
    After watching the Broncos defense hold the supposed "goat" Tom Brady to 16 points yesterday and witnessing the time that they were on field, yet they still managed to stifle Brady and pretty much shut down the NE Offense for most of the day, there isn't (IMO) a team in all of history that can do what the no fly zone just did.

    Lets not Forget that Norwood fumbled the Broncos territory on a pot return which put New England and very good field position to kick a field goal so in all reality the Broncos health Tom Brady to 13 points but you can factor in the zero TD passes from Brady and say that the Broncos defense pretty much held Tom Brady scoreless.




    If you were to give this Broncos defense the 85 bears or 2000 ravens offense, they'd be winning back to back Super Bowls again.

    It is very unfortunate yet typical Murphy's law that once a team has the greatest defense of all time that they'd have to suffer through the most idiotic Offense and offensive scheme of all time.
    If the Denver D was that good.... They why are they ranked behind Baltimore? Look what pats hung on them last week. Denver clearly is a top 5 D..... But with the amount of losses, no matter how much trouble you have with your offense, you can't mAke that claim. Brady just has a tough time in YOUR stadium, same way the jets play pats tough no matter how much they suck. And if Fitz only played the Pats he'd be a HOF QB. Look at NE games against Denver at Gillette last 10 years. Pats have no problem moving the ball against Denver in foxboro!!

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    • #3
      Pats would have scored 19 if it weren't for Bill deciding to play it safe and forego an easy field goal attempt in the 4th.

      Also the pats played a short week and were not crisp on offense.
      Super Bowl Wins: Brady - 6 Elway - 2 Manning - 2 (played well in none and took HGH)

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      • #4
        Originally posted by TommyBrady12 View Post
        Pats would have scored 19 if it weren't for Bill deciding to play it safe and forego an easy field goal attempt in the 4th.

        Also the pats played a short week and were not crisp on offense.
        Shoulda woulda coulda. You also wouldn't have had an easy 3 to start the game if Kubiak didn't inexplicably decide to activate and start a punt returner who has had problems with muffed kicks all year.

        Regardless, most teams would still be more than satisfied holding NE to 19 points. BB is known for taking away a team's strength, but when the offense has no strengths to begin with, we were kinda screwed from the start.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by TommyBrady12 View Post
          Pats would have scored 19 if it weren't for Bill deciding to play it safe and forego an easy field goal attempt in the 4th.

          Also the pats played a short week and were not crisp on offense.
          The Pats are pretty ordinary when they come to Denver. They are lucky that they don't come here every year during the playoffs.

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          • #6
            Sam....I believe we have one of the best Ds of all time, but witnessing The Steel Curtain, and yes, The Bears, it is hard for me to place them atop the list, just yet. Other teams had their days - The Ravens, The Purple People Eating Vikings, and more.

            But another year of this, and I will reconsider. The thing I remember about The Steelers, even The Bears, was the fear they seemed to place in others. I think our D does some of that too, maybe not to the same level. Regardless, no question we have a Great D, and I think that over the last 2 seasons, they are way up there on the list.

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            • #7
              Just a reminder, keep the smack in the Smack forum.

              As far as the OP, no, this year is certainly not an historic / greatest of all time defense. Limiting the Patriots* to 16 points and Brady, in particular, to less than 200 yards passing with no TDs is nothing to scoff at. What is, is the amount of yards we let teams run on us and the poor tackling (Ward in particular) have been making.

              Great defenses are generally based on solid fundamentals. We have a great secondary and good pass rushers. Our LB corps is marginal and DL are mainly tackling dummies there to be pushed around. That isn't to say the defense, as a whole, is bad but we are missing at least one key piece, with the run defense at least. They've kept us in games and have been the determining factor in some of our wins by scoring - but there is much room for improvement.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by ABQBronco25 View Post
                Shoulda woulda coulda. You also wouldn't have had an easy 3 to start the game if Kubiak didn't inexplicably decide to activate and start a punt returner who has had problems with muffed kicks all year.

                Regardless, most teams would still be more than satisfied holding NE to 19 points. BB is known for taking away a team's strength, but when the offense has no strengths to begin with, we were kinda screwed from the start.
                Just listen to yourself. Last year one of our rookie PRs muffed a kick against Denver in the regular season and the momentum of that game totally shifted afterwards! And how about Gostkowski missing an easy XP in the AFCCG that would have sent the game to OT? Stuff like that happens. The game came down to the pats outplaying Denver at the LOS.
                Super Bowl Wins: Brady - 6 Elway - 2 Manning - 2 (played well in none and took HGH)

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                • #9
                  00 ravens for me. But I think our pass defense is the greatest ever assembled. CHjr and talib are hands down top 5 and debatable best in the NFL. Stewart is a top 5 safety. Ward has a little trouble tackling and has been getting burnt this year but is an enforcer when he is on.

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                  • #10
                    86 bears..... Yes, not the 85 bears, 86 bears

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by TommyBrady12 View Post
                      Just listen to yourself. Last year one of our rookie PRs muffed a kick against Denver in the regular season and the momentum of that game totally shifted afterwards! And how about Gostkowski missing an easy XP in the AFCCG that would have sent the game to OT? Stuff like that happens. The game came down to the pats outplaying Denver at the LOS.
                      That's it in a nutshell. You can argue the why's and how's all day long but the Pats ruled the day, capitalizing on our mistakes while making few of their own.

                      As good as our defense is, their effort was not enough with such little contribution from our offense. This is not much different than any game this season or last. That kind of game plan can only take you so far.
                      Last edited by Rastic; 12-19-2016, 02:22 PM.

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                      • #12
                        The best defense of all-time doesn't rank 29th in the league against the run. A historic defense doesn't rank 29th against the run. This is a good pass defense that's overrated by many Broncos fans because of how good they were last year. But they're not nearly as good as many give them credit for.

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                        • #13
                          The secondary / pass rush combination deserves argument. They've held 11 of 14 opponents to under 200 yard passing.

                          The rush defense is not so great.

                          I mentioned the 1977 Falcons in another thread, but I also think the 00 Ravens is up there. The 1976 Steelers had 5 shutouts in 14 games, including 3 in a row and a total of 9 points in a 5 game span. Those records will never be broken.

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                          • #14
                            When you give up, consistently, over 130 yards rushing, you forfeit any claims to greatness. Teams look at the Broncos D and say, "Why throw when we can run all over them?". When the D can shut down BOTH run and pass, then the claim to greatness can be made.

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                            • #15
                              We deal with this all the time. I don't know how to be more clear. There is not a single defensive statistic which can defend a claim that either the '15 or '16 Broncos are even in the discussion of best all time. We don't even have a right to claim best since the 2002 rules change which favor passing. Don't just say it, demonstrate it with facts.

                              Let's look at raw numbers. Last year we gave up 296. Anything under 320 is a respectable number. To be elite you need to be under 240 (15/game). If you argue it is because we have a bad offense, look at the '05 Bears. They gave up 202 points with a pitiful offense worse than ours.

                              Seriously, go read about and watch film on '76 Steelers, 2000 Ravens, '02 Bucs, '08 Steelers, '77 Falcons, '62 Packers, '85 Bears, '69 Vikings, '13 Seahawks. Short of shutting out our next two opponents and then winning the SB with two more shutouts (like the '85 Bears) our guys have no business claiming the belt.

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