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  • A look at starting QBs in the league vis a vis Siemian

    Of the 32 starting QBs in the league, 18 were drafted in the 1st round. 3 others, Brees, Dalton, and Carr, were 2nd round picks. I will list the remaining 11 and their draft status and place in the league.

    Tyrod Taylor- 6th round, decent starter.

    Kevin Hogan- 5th round, stop gap player only

    Dak Prescott- 4th round, emerging starter

    Jacoy Brissett- 3rd round, backup for 1st round pick Andrew Luck

    Case Keenum- undrafted, backup for 1st round pick Sam Bradford and 1st round pick Teddy Bridgewater

    Tom Brady- 6th round, needs no introduction

    Josh McCown- 3rd round, stop gap player only

    Brian Hoyer- undrafted, stop gap player only

    Russell Wilson- 3rd round, excellent starter

    Kirk Cousins- 4th round, good starter

    Trevor Siemian- 7th rounder, dubious starter
    Last edited by gerontion; 10-17-2017, 12:43 PM.

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    And your point is?
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    • #3
      How is this thread "vis-à-vis Siemian" while excluding anything that relates to or compares your data to Siemian?

      Did I miss something?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Rastic View Post
        How is this thread "vis-à-vis Siemian" while excluding anything that relates to or compares your data to Siemian?

        Did I miss something?
        You're right. I added him.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by DenverBlood View Post
          And your point is?
          The point is it's highly unlikely Siemian will turn into a legit starting QB. Most of them are 1st rounders.

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          • #6
            4 out of the 11 are good too. 5 if you want to count Talyer. The rest are trash

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Murph2432 View Post
              4 out of the 11 are good too. 5 if you want to count Talyer. The rest are trash
              I’m interested in which ones you consider trash and your take on TS. Personally, I’d take anyone on that list above what we have right now.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by RainyTX View Post
                I’m interested in which ones you consider trash and your take on TS. Personally, I’d take anyone on that list above what we have right now.
                Kevin Hogan, Josh McCown, Brian Hoyer. All complete trash. And I would not take over Siemian. Verdict still out on Brissett and Case Keenum isn't really better but not really worse either.
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                • #9
                  Trevor is also complete trash.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by RainyTX View Post
                    Trevor is also complete trash.
                    I'm just answering you asking which ones on his list he thought were trash. Siemian has been awful lately. But overall he has still been a lot better than the ones I named.
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                    • #11
                      2016
                      (1)(1) Goff
                      (1)(2) Wentz
                      (1)(26) Lynch

                      2015
                      (1)(1) Winston
                      (1)(2) Mariota

                      2014
                      (1)(3) Bortles
                      (1)(22) Manziel
                      (1)(32) Bridgewater

                      2013
                      (1)(16) Manuel

                      2012
                      (1)(1) Luck
                      (1)(2) Griffin
                      (1)(8) Tannehill
                      (1)(22) Weeden

                      2011
                      (1)(1) Newton
                      (1)(8) Locker
                      (1)(10) Gabbert
                      (1)(12) Ponder

                      2010
                      (1)(1) Bradford
                      (1)(25) Tebow

                      As you can see... being a QB selected in the first round definitely does not guarantee being a 12+ year, productive starter. On this entire list, you could maybe say Newton is a top QB in the league. That is still highly debatable.

                      So, out of 19 QBs selected in the 1st round of the draft over the last 7 years... you have 1 QB that is top 10 discussion. You may be able to throw Wentz in there, but plenty of these guys have started off well and fizzled after a couple years.
                      Last edited by Joshua2585; 10-17-2017, 02:18 PM.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Joshua2585 View Post
                        2016
                        (1)(1) Goff
                        (1)(2) Wentz
                        (1)(26) Lynch

                        2015
                        (1)(1) Winston
                        (1)(2) Mariota

                        2014
                        (1)(3) Bortles
                        (1)(22) Manziel
                        (1)(32) Bridgewater

                        2013
                        (1)(16) Manuel

                        2012
                        (1)(1) Luck
                        (1)(2) Griffin
                        (1)(8) Tannehill
                        (1)(22) Weeden

                        2011
                        (1)(1) Newton
                        (1)(8) Locker
                        (1)(10) Gabbert
                        (1)(12) Ponder

                        2010
                        (1)(1) Bradford
                        (1)(25) Tebow

                        As you can see... being a QB selected in the first round definitely does not guarantee being a 12+ year, productive starter. On this entire list, you could maybe say Newton is a top QB in the league. That is still highly debatable.
                        Of course there are many 1st round busts. And of course not all starting QBs are great. However, the odds of a late round QB even becoming a starter are very rare. Your data does not contradict my data.
                        Last edited by gerontion; 10-17-2017, 02:22 PM.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by gerontion View Post
                          Of the 32 starting QBs in the league, 18 were drafted in the 1st round. 3 others, Brees, Dalton, and Carr, were 2nd round picks. I will list the remaining 11 and their draft status and place in the league.

                          Tyrod Taylor- 6th round, decent starter.

                          Kevin Hogan- 5th round, stop gap player only

                          Dak Prescott- 4th round, emerging starter

                          Jacoy Brissett- 3rd round, backup for 1st round pick Andrew Luck

                          Case Keenum- undrafted, backup for 1st round pick Sam Bradford and 1st round pick Teddy Bridgewater

                          Tom Brady- 6th round, needs no introduction

                          Josh McCown- 3rd round, stop gap player only

                          Brian Hoyer- undrafted, stop gap player only

                          Russell Wilson- 3rd round, excellent starter

                          Kirk Cousins- 4th round, good starter

                          Trevor Siemian- 7th rounder, dubious starter
                          I am all over the internet looking for the criteria that defines 'decent starter'; 'stop gap player only'; 'needs no introduction'; and 'dubious starter'. I cannot find it anywhere.

                          I really don't think we need any of those other sites with their fancy-smansy statistics and commentaries form NFL insiders when we've got this gem of a measure. :thumb:
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Rancid View Post
                            I am all over the internet looking for the criteria that defines 'decent starter'; 'stop gap player only'; 'needs no introduction'; and 'dubious starter'. I cannot find it anywhere.

                            I really don't think we need any of those other sites with their fancy-smansy statistics and commentaries form NFL insiders when we've got this gem of a measure. :thumb:
                            Do you actually have anything constructive to add, or are you just content being a wisenheimer?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by RainyTX View Post
                              I’m interested in which ones you consider trash and your take on TS. Personally, I’d take anyone on that list above what we have right now.
                              Hoyer
                              McCown
                              Hogan
                              Trevor
                              Brissett and Keenum decent at times trash other times.

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