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  • #16
    Originally posted by Sam_Z View Post
    Manning has Welker, DT, Orange Julius, Eric Decker etc. plus Adam Gase working with him oh yeah and a pretty solid offensive line that didn't feature Ryan Clady but guys like Ryan Harris, Orlando Franklin, Zane Beatles, Chris Kuper, Chris Clark... Nothing spectacular but it worked...

    Telling me this present unit today cannot work in the bunch of crap. The Broncos need to stop calling plays that take 2.5 seconds to develop and go with the high-powered up-tempo offense that Vance Joseph promised.

    Put Siemian in a position to get rid of the ball a hell of a lot quicker since he doesn't have time to throw but not only that commit to the running game.
    Two things wrong with this post: 1. When you can't get a first down, running an uptempo (no huddle) offense is absolute suicide, because you keep your defense off the field for very little time. With a struggling offense, you're better trying to slow things down, so the team can take 2:30 minutes off the clock and the defense can have a break. See Chip Kelly's offense in the NFL for what happens when a team snaps the ball with 25 on the play clock and is continuously 3 and out.

    2. It's hard to run those quick plays you talk of when the defense is sitting at 10 yards and daring you to throw it over their heads, the only way to get them to back out is by throwing it over their heads and making them change. You can call all of those quick hitters that you want, but if the defense is sitting there it's either going to be an incompletion, a catch and gain of very little or an interception.

    The other big thing 2013 had that the Broncos (and very few teams now) have is a QB that could recognize coverages almost instantaneously pre snap and then immediately change the play call or protection to make the play work. A great example of this was when the Broncos played the Raiders, the Broncos came out in a spread formation and the Raiders lined up in what looked like a typical nickel or dime defense in cover 1. Manning made his calls and then immediately said "check check, 24 is the mike, 24 is the mike" 24 was Charles Woodson who was lined up as a DB against Demaryius Thomas. Ball snapped, sure enough Woodson blitzes, protection goes to him, Manning hits Thomas for the touchdown. That intelligence can make just about any deficiency invisible.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Butler By'Note View Post
      Two things wrong with this post: 1. When you can't get a first down, running an uptempo (no huddle) offense is absolute suicide, because you keep your defense off the field for very little time. With a struggling offense, you're better trying to slow things down, so the team can take 2:30 minutes off the clock and the defense can have a break. See Chip Kelly's offense in the NFL for what happens when a team snaps the ball with 25 on the play clock and is continuously 3 and out.

      2. It's hard to run those quick plays you talk of when the defense is sitting at 10 yards and daring you to throw it over their heads, the only way to get them to back out is by throwing it over their heads and making them change. You can call all of those quick hitters that you want, but if the defense is sitting there it's either going to be an incompletion, a catch and gain of very little or an interception.

      The other big thing 2013 had that the Broncos (and very few teams now) have is a QB that could recognize coverages almost instantaneously pre snap and then immediately change the play call or protection to make the play work. A great example of this was when the Broncos played the Raiders, the Broncos came out in a spread formation and the Raiders lined up in what looked like a typical nickel or dime defense in cover 1. Manning made his calls and then immediately said "check check, 24 is the mike, 24 is the mike" 24 was Charles Woodson who was lined up as a DB against Demaryius Thomas. Ball snapped, sure enough Woodson blitzes, protection goes to him, Manning hits Thomas for the touchdown. That intelligence can make just about any deficiency invisible.
      Again 100% truth!

      Another example for you last point was against the Cards in 2014. There was a moment where you see Manning whispering to DT about what had to have been a weak spot in their coverage. You see DT's eyes light up. Next possession, just as you said, PM checked and hits DT for the 86yard TD. I'm interested to see who in this next generation starts to make that leap and display that level of consistent awareness.
      #swapping

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      • #18
        We've witnessed ( Twice) how a great D will always shut out a great O. New England would've gotten destroyed just as much had they made it. They had no receivers.

        Let's also not forget they had a pretty easy schedule that year. They didn't look that great in wins against SD and NE.

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        • #19
          Didn't Manning have like 5TD in game one of that season?

          It was pretty fun. It made that Superbowl that much more painful though because we ALL thought ..........
          The beatings will continue until morale improves....

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          • #20
            Originally posted by dizzolve View Post
            Didn't Manning have like 5TD in game one of that season?

            It was pretty fun. It made that Superbowl that much more painful though because we ALL thought ..........
            No, he didn't have 5 touchdowns in the first game, I don't know where these urban legends get started?....

            He had 7 touchdown passes in the first game. That's a pretty good way to start a season.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Butler By'Note View Post
              No, he didn't have 5 touchdowns in the first game, I don't know where these urban legends get started?....

              He had 7 touchdown passes in the first game. That's a pretty good way to start a season.
              Yeah it was even more amazing than I was thinking!

              I had him in fantasy that season too - it was pretty sweet
              The beatings will continue until morale improves....

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Butler By'Note View Post
                No, he didn't have 5 touchdowns in the first game, I don't know where these urban legends get started?....

                He had 7 touchdown passes in the first game. That's a pretty good way to start a season.

                Oh ya that 7 TD Performance vs Baltimore who the year before wiped us out in the AFC Conference Championship was Epic !!

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