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  • DENVERSB50CHAMP
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    Originally posted by Butler By'Note View Post
    No, he didn't have 5 touchdowns in the first game, I don't know where these urban legends get started?....

    He had 7 touchdown passes in the first game. That's a pretty good way to start a season.

    Oh ya that 7 TD Performance vs Baltimore who the year before wiped us out in the AFC Conference Championship was Epic !!

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  • dizzolve
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    Originally posted by Butler By'Note View Post
    No, he didn't have 5 touchdowns in the first game, I don't know where these urban legends get started?....

    He had 7 touchdown passes in the first game. That's a pretty good way to start a season.
    Yeah it was even more amazing than I was thinking!

    I had him in fantasy that season too - it was pretty sweet

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  • Butler By'Note
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    Originally posted by dizzolve View Post
    Didn't Manning have like 5TD in game one of that season?

    It was pretty fun. It made that Superbowl that much more painful though because we ALL thought ..........
    No, he didn't have 5 touchdowns in the first game, I don't know where these urban legends get started?....

    He had 7 touchdown passes in the first game. That's a pretty good way to start a season.

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  • dizzolve
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    Didn't Manning have like 5TD in game one of that season?

    It was pretty fun. It made that Superbowl that much more painful though because we ALL thought ..........

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  • BroncoBrennan89
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    We've witnessed ( Twice) how a great D will always shut out a great O. New England would've gotten destroyed just as much had they made it. They had no receivers.

    Let's also not forget they had a pretty easy schedule that year. They didn't look that great in wins against SD and NE.

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  • flosstein
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    Originally posted by Butler By'Note View Post
    Two things wrong with this post: 1. When you can't get a first down, running an uptempo (no huddle) offense is absolute suicide, because you keep your defense off the field for very little time. With a struggling offense, you're better trying to slow things down, so the team can take 2:30 minutes off the clock and the defense can have a break. See Chip Kelly's offense in the NFL for what happens when a team snaps the ball with 25 on the play clock and is continuously 3 and out.

    2. It's hard to run those quick plays you talk of when the defense is sitting at 10 yards and daring you to throw it over their heads, the only way to get them to back out is by throwing it over their heads and making them change. You can call all of those quick hitters that you want, but if the defense is sitting there it's either going to be an incompletion, a catch and gain of very little or an interception.

    The other big thing 2013 had that the Broncos (and very few teams now) have is a QB that could recognize coverages almost instantaneously pre snap and then immediately change the play call or protection to make the play work. A great example of this was when the Broncos played the Raiders, the Broncos came out in a spread formation and the Raiders lined up in what looked like a typical nickel or dime defense in cover 1. Manning made his calls and then immediately said "check check, 24 is the mike, 24 is the mike" 24 was Charles Woodson who was lined up as a DB against Demaryius Thomas. Ball snapped, sure enough Woodson blitzes, protection goes to him, Manning hits Thomas for the touchdown. That intelligence can make just about any deficiency invisible.
    Again 100% truth!

    Another example for you last point was against the Cards in 2014. There was a moment where you see Manning whispering to DT about what had to have been a weak spot in their coverage. You see DT's eyes light up. Next possession, just as you said, PM checked and hits DT for the 86yard TD. I'm interested to see who in this next generation starts to make that leap and display that level of consistent awareness.

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  • Butler By'Note
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    Originally posted by Sam_Z View Post
    Manning has Welker, DT, Orange Julius, Eric Decker etc. plus Adam Gase working with him oh yeah and a pretty solid offensive line that didn't feature Ryan Clady but guys like Ryan Harris, Orlando Franklin, Zane Beatles, Chris Kuper, Chris Clark... Nothing spectacular but it worked...

    Telling me this present unit today cannot work in the bunch of crap. The Broncos need to stop calling plays that take 2.5 seconds to develop and go with the high-powered up-tempo offense that Vance Joseph promised.

    Put Siemian in a position to get rid of the ball a hell of a lot quicker since he doesn't have time to throw but not only that commit to the running game.
    Two things wrong with this post: 1. When you can't get a first down, running an uptempo (no huddle) offense is absolute suicide, because you keep your defense off the field for very little time. With a struggling offense, you're better trying to slow things down, so the team can take 2:30 minutes off the clock and the defense can have a break. See Chip Kelly's offense in the NFL for what happens when a team snaps the ball with 25 on the play clock and is continuously 3 and out.

    2. It's hard to run those quick plays you talk of when the defense is sitting at 10 yards and daring you to throw it over their heads, the only way to get them to back out is by throwing it over their heads and making them change. You can call all of those quick hitters that you want, but if the defense is sitting there it's either going to be an incompletion, a catch and gain of very little or an interception.

    The other big thing 2013 had that the Broncos (and very few teams now) have is a QB that could recognize coverages almost instantaneously pre snap and then immediately change the play call or protection to make the play work. A great example of this was when the Broncos played the Raiders, the Broncos came out in a spread formation and the Raiders lined up in what looked like a typical nickel or dime defense in cover 1. Manning made his calls and then immediately said "check check, 24 is the mike, 24 is the mike" 24 was Charles Woodson who was lined up as a DB against Demaryius Thomas. Ball snapped, sure enough Woodson blitzes, protection goes to him, Manning hits Thomas for the touchdown. That intelligence can make just about any deficiency invisible.

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  • Butler By'Note
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    Same thing happened to the second best offense ever when they played the Super Bowl, Giants got a pass rush, Patriots couldn't deal with it and were pretty much shut down, putting up 274 total yards and 14 points.

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  • DENVERSB50CHAMP
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    Originally posted by worldsoutro View Post
    Denver was caught off guard so bad that game. Seattle's defense was so fast and aggressive and I don't think Denver played a defense like that all season. Plus with the crowd noise Manning played scared. They should have tried to lean on the running game
    Ya That Defense was scary good! As A True Denver Fan I knew that was going to happen to us as it always seems to be in a Super Bowl Denver gets blown out ! However redemption was sweet in 2015!

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  • worldsoutro
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    Denver was caught off guard so bad that game. Seattle's defense was so fast and aggressive and I don't think Denver played a defense like that all season. Plus with the crowd noise Manning played scared. They should have tried to lean on the running game

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  • jc13
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    As great as it was it kind of just proved in the end that defense wins championships.

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  • flosstein
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    Originally posted by gerontion View Post
    There was no set up. We had a bunch of guys injured for that game. Plus, it was just a bad matchup. We had a finesse offense going up against a smash mouth defense. Their front 7 was able to pressure Manning, and our receivers were no match for the Legion of Boom.
    Don't get me wrong, that's more the main reason we lost. But having half your team seasick and 4 hours of road travel in a bus (thats's with the police escorts) don't help. Especially when the opposing team with that monstrous defense is land locked and deals with 30mins of travel (both ways) at the absolute max.That wears on you big time.

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  • DENVERSB50CHAMP
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    Originally posted by gerontion View Post
    There was no set up. We had a bunch of guys injured for that game. Plus, it was just a bad matchup. We had a finesse offense going up against a smash mouth defense. Their front 7 was able to pressure Manning, and our receivers were no match for the Legion of Boom.

    I know I use. ton of sarcasm ! I know that Defense wins championships and that is why the year following JE built the Great Defense of 2015 !

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  • gerontion
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    Originally posted by DENVERSB50CHAMP View Post
    I definitely think it was a set up !
    There was no set up. We had a bunch of guys injured for that game. Plus, it was just a bad matchup. We had a finesse offense going up against a smash mouth defense. Their front 7 was able to pressure Manning, and our receivers were no match for the Legion of Boom.

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  • DENVERSB50CHAMP
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    Originally posted by flosstein View Post
    I have so many issues with the logistics of that SB. Was there some prep issues with the coaching staff? Yes, but that wasn’t the bigger issue. The way we were shuttled and moved around was a nightmare. The ‘Hags were within 15mins if the Giants facilities. And their daily press conference was in the hotel lobby. They had us on a boat, in the Hudson River with a storm rolling in, and an hour away from the Jets facilities.

    I also read a report that players were getting queasy after the conferences. And when I went to media day, they just weren’t energetic at all. Almost lethargic. Complete 180 from how they were in San Fran.
    I definitely think it was a set up !

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