We have better players than the Chiefs

[SoundsOfSuccess]

Best team in the AFC at the moment Kansas City Chiefs

Smith > our idiots
Hunt = our stable
Conley < Thomas
DeMarcus Robinson < Sanders
Hill > Norwood [lol!]
Kelce > Derby
Fisher < Bolles
Witzman = Garcia
Morse < Paradis
Duvernay < Leary
Schwartz > RT idiots

Jones < Wolfe
Logan = Peko
Bailey > Gotsis
Houston < Von
Johnson > Marshall
Hali < Ray
Peters < Harris jr
Mitchell < Talib
Parker < Stewart
Sorensen < Simmons

12-6-2

Figure in bias and we stil definitely line up better than them

The one big one... OUR COACHES SUCK!

[flosstein]

Yes, in theory we match up very well with all the teams in our division. The largest seperations are QB and coaching. And those are the two most important matchups.

[Bates]

They have a good QB and good coaches. We have neither. In fact what we have hurts us.

[Rastic]

It the game was nothing but a sum total of which team wins each respective one-on-one match ups, then hooray! Unfortunately it isn't and the weakest link(s) will always be exploited and our's happens to be in very key areas of the team.

Add to that the way we played yesterday and it looks like some may have just given up hope only half-way in to the season. How does that stack up against the Chiefs? Call me crazy but I think a team that believes they can win often outperforms a team that believes they have not chance or even reason to try to win.

[Broncos-R-Great]

Lol, Norwood?? He was cut/retired forever ago

[DenverBlood]

Lol, Norwood?? He was cut/retired forever ago

I assume he means Latimer in which case his one on one assessment is still correct.

But I don’t agree with several areas he thinks our players are better.

I will however agree that coaching is part of the blame and we shouldn’t be outmatched as bad as we tend to be.

I would say their oline and qb is greater than ours at almost every position. And that’s really what the game of football comes down to. If your oline play and qb play is as horrendous as ours is it doesn’t really matter what talent you have elsewhere or who you have coaching it.

[Sam_Z]

Best team in the AFC at the moment Kansas City Chiefs

Smith > our idiots
Hunt = our stable
Conley < Thomas
DeMarcus Robinson < Sanders
Hill > Norwood [lol!]
Kelce > Derby
Fisher < Bolles
Witzman = Garcia
Morse < Paradis
Duvernay < Leary
Schwartz > RT idiots

Jones < Wolfe
Logan = Peko
Bailey > Gotsis
Houston < Von
Johnson > Marshall
Hali < Ray
Peters < Harris jr
Mitchell < Talib
Parker < Stewart
Sorensen < Simmons

12-6-2

Figure in bias and we stil definitely line up better than them

The one big one... OUR COACHES SUCK!

Very good statement but what happened under the Gary Kubiak or the John Fox regime?

In my opinion those were better coaching staffs than what we have now and we had some pretty good players then and it still did not work.

I think we could all agree that the failures of this football team consist of the quarterback and the offensive line.

We can name certain players that have been drafted in the first and second rounds over the last five years and you'll see that John Elway is just as much at fault as Vance Joseph or Mike McCoy. This coaching staff inherited a very bad offensive line and zero quarterbacks.

We do have some very good players not match up well against other teams and I'm not saying John Elway hasn't tried but he hasn't tried hard enough I mean hell he brought us Menelik Watson, Donald Stephenson and Michael Schofield...

He has known for an extremely long time (3 1/2 half seasons to be exact) that right tackle has been a problem and he refuses to go out and get a true right tackle.

He has also failed to get us a quarterback succeed Peyton Manning.

He brought up Brock Osweiler, Paxton Lynch, and Trevor Simeon when there have been guys out there such as Jimmy Grapalow, Kirk Cousins, Aj Maccarren on the trading block.

He has failed because he does not want to make a fair trade or pay market value for such players. He has been stubborn about this and enough is enough already.

Somebody said this morning that it could be ownership and that the Bowlen family does not want to pay certain amount of money in signing bonuses or what not but that all in a bunch of garbage because the team by rule has to use up their entire salary cap space.

These coaches may stink but they've inherited a really bad offensive team.

And What happened to special teams? Joe D was doing a fine job but Elway wanted Brock Olivo. Gary would had corrected the offense had John allowed him to draft his own players but john wanted Vance Joseph. No matter how bad Vance Joseph stinks as a head coach it was Elway who brought him here. But hey he's John Elway so let's give him a pass!

[HDR10]

The best team in the AFC is the New England Patriots. Not KC.

[ELWAY421]

The best team in the AFC is the New England Patriots. Not KC.

I'd say Pittsburgh right now. New England really hasn't played that well despite their record.

[HDR10]

I'd say Pittsburgh right now. New England really hasn't played that well despite their record.

NE has been by far the best and most complete team in the league over the last month. Pittsburgh has lost to both Jacksonville and Chicago. I can't take them seriously, especially given that Brady has only lost to them like once in his career.

[Rastic]

This is not a smack forum.

Trolling / flaming / smack posts will be IP'd

[Taos_Broncomaniac]

They have a good QB and good coaches. We have neither. In fact what we have hurts us.

Reid is mediocre at best, still way better than VJ at this point in time though.

Remember the Rams and the Eagles and the Raiders were at the front of the draft line for many years to acquire the players they got. We might be drafting early this year.

[-Rod-]

Coaching matters. A lot. See the Rams with Jeff Fisher for years and the current Rams with Wade and McVay. Vance Joseph said the Broncos job was not broken when he took it. Now it is, thanks to him. The guy can't even figure out when to call a timeout.

[AugustInHouston]

It doesn't matter.

You don't have a quarterback.

Look at Green Bay without Rogers. Look at Houston without Watson.

It just doesn't matter you think all the other players are better.

[-Rod-]

It doesn't matter.

You don't have a quarterback.

Look at Green Bay without Rogers. Look at Houston without Watson.

It just doesn't matter you think all the other players are better.

Record with Siemian and Lynch last season: 9-7

Record with Osweiler in 2015: 5-2, 12–4 overall with Manning throwing 9 TD and 17 INT

2017 Broncos: 3-5, certainly heading to 3-6, maybe finish at 5-11, 6-10 at best?

The issue seems to be more than quarterback.