If we lose next week to Oakland

[Broncos-R-Great]

It honestly would take more than 2-3 games if he's already on the hot seat

Probably, but there would at least be a discussion to keep him, that's why I said the "might" keep him. If he losses out he's done

[SuperCaliBronco]

Good lord, I wouldn't be surprised at all if we fail to win any of our remaining games this season.

And even though it might be very tempting to call for VJ's ouster if we do lose to the Raiders, it's still Elway's responsibility to find us a true legitimate successor to Manning. If he can't fulfill that duty, then he needs to step aside and let someone else solve our QB problem.

[Njbroncofan1]

Hopefully this year we do it right and lose to the raiders. Not like last season winning that meaningless game final week of season.
This year should be all about getting as high as pick as possible. Maybe trading players to get more picks or even trading very high pick to get offensive pieces cause this team needs them going forward.

[rst08tierney]

If........?....you mean when, right?

[Butler By'Note]

We get ahead of all other teams in the Coaching search. There will be no rushing to pick a coach. We can start interviewing retired coaches and college coaches. Make a short list and be the first team to interview OCs and DCs we are interested in.

We bring the fire back to this team and evaluate players we want to bring back next year and which ones we want to move forward without.

OCs and DCs can't be interviewed until their team's season is over (or they're on their playoff bye week) and at that point everyone looking for an HC will have a plan in place to interview them. Every team even thinking about replacing their coach has likely already started an internal process of identifying candidates.

As for retired (Shanahan and Gruden) coaches and college coaches, these guys aren't dumb, they'll have heard things from people about what might be available and they'll know where they want to end up or at least where they have their own interest in, and if it's not Denver they'll want to wait to see how it plays out before they make any commitment.

Bringing it back to the Broncos, they know who they'll be interested in if they replace the coach, they'll be doing due diligence now (under the radar of course) to identify red flags or find out if there might be mutual interest. Firing Joseph now instead of at the end of the season won't speed up anything, or give the Broncos an advantage, it'll just signal to the fanbase that they're making a change for sure in 2018.

[haciendadad]

If we lose next week to Oakland, I’m paying for another billboard in Denver to go up demanding Elway fire Vance Joseph. If this team lacks fire, fight and desire to play next week vs Oakland it only means one thing. Vance has lost the locker room.

I did this once before when Orton was obviously not the answer and it worked! The team benched Orton and played Tebow. The Billboard created the media to put so much pressure on the team to play Tebow they caved and played him. I love this team, I hate seeing the poor play week in and week out. These players are showing no fire. Firing wade was a huge mistake, allowing this to go any longer with Vance would be another mistake.

Oh, great idea. So lets win a few games so that we can give you all our picks to move up to get our franchise QB prospect. Or we can play Paxton and let him tank the season and we'll know he is not worth keeping and move on.

Being that bad is how we got Von Miller and because of him we won a SB, so like it or not you should be hoping we lose out to get what we've been looking for, a really good QB, hopefully we have a high enough of a pick it is a no brainer.

[Dan Dan]

I just don't see what firing Joseph during the season does for us. It just doesn't make any sense to me and I have yet to see a sensible argument in favor of it.

Fully agree.

[haciendadad]

I’m ok with a rebuild. I understand we lost manning. I’m ok with loses, but when your team is losing to sub par teams and have zero fight.. this means coaching is a issue.

You can't say there was zero fight. The defense did pretty good, our offense gave them 14 points. You can't expect a defense to do a shutout every week.

[haciendadad]

there is no coming back for VJ. Once you lose the respect of a team and fans your done.

This chapter is not done yet. There is a chance he may learn from this experience and realize that he had the wrong approach (trying to be a buddy, buddy coach to the players) and coaches with more of a hands on approach or at least accountability.

[haciendadad]

According to Cecil Lammy we'd be picking number 4 if the season ended today!

Last year a team with a 7-9 record picked 10th, and a team with a 5-11 record picked 6th.

I wouldn't be surprised if we get two more wins somewhere, even if we bring back Trevor if Paxton is really, really bad. Like Nathan Peterman who was so bad in his debut go pulled by halftime, then with Trevor we may actually win some games if he plays like he did in the first two weeks.

[haciendadad]

I definitely do not want any part of another first time HC. Between McDaniels and VJ, I have a very bad taste in my mouth for first time HCs.

I wonder what it would take to get Harbaugh out of Ann Arbor, or Chuckie out of the MNF booth.

I kinda agree with you, but there is a long list of good coaches that had really bad first years. For example, Bill Walsh was 2 and 14 his first year and 6 and 10 his second.

[haciendadad]

That is correct. We are 1 Giants win away from picking 3rd

Of the currently top 13 team picks in the draft, we play 5 of those teams the rest of the way (Raiders, Chargers, Dolphins, Jets, Colts) and we've already played and lost to 2 others (Bengals, Giants). We currently hold the tiebreaker over the Raiders and Chargers Only way to guarantee a top 5 pick is to lose against all 5 of the Raiders, Chargers, Dolphins, Jets, Colts

I don't see us losing to Indy. I wouldn't put it past their owner to insist that they lose out to get a top pick. I think they'd like to move on from Luck, trade him for a 1st pick or two. Some radio personalities suggested a 1st round pick and Von Miller for Luck and if they had a top 3 pick and Denver's pick, OMG they would be elated! As we get closer to the end of the season, like the last three weeks and that is a possibility these ideas will be discussed somewhere in the FO.

[fraguela09]

We already zapped OAK last year in the final game then beat them again this season. If Paxton plays and looks good and we win.... great! Otherwise, why bother or care? 3-13 or 5-11 is the dream now.... it's all about what's best for DEN in 2018 now.

[Butler By'Note]

That is correct. We are 1 Giants win away from picking 3rd

Of the currently top 13 team picks in the draft, we play 5 of those teams the rest of the way (Raiders, Chargers, Dolphins, Jets, Colts) and we've already played and lost to 2 others (Bengals, Giants). We currently hold the tiebreaker over the Raiders and Chargers Only way to guarantee a top 5 pick is to lose against all 5 of the Raiders, Chargers, Dolphins, Jets, Colts

Head to head doesn't become the tiebreaker for draft picks, the tiebreaker is strength of schedule. The team with the worst strength of schedule picks highest. Then it rotates each round. If 3 teams (say Denver, Giants and Oakland) all tied. The team with the worst SOS (say Giants) pick first, next second, then the highest picks third. In round two the second highest SOS would pick first, highest SOS picks second, and worst picks third. And it continues cycling through that way.

It's listed at the very bottom of tie breaking procedures. http://www.nfl.com/standings/tiebreakingprocedures

[haciendadad]

It would be interesting if Oakland is one pick ahead of us and we are both picking in the top five, I am sure they would considering trading out to any top 10 or 15 team that needs a QB. So we would have to bargain with a team ahead of them to get the QB we want and if that is a team with a QB need too, we are screwed.

Right now, this is how the standings look for top draft picks
Browns 0 wins
49ers 1 win
Giants, Indy 2 wins
Bears, Broncos 3 wins

Dolphins, Jets, Chargers, Raiders, Bengals, Texans, Redskins, Cardinals, Bucs all have 4 wins

Wow, if the season ended today and a team only had 4 wins, they may pick 15th. 3 wins may get you a 6th pick.

You know that the 49ers will sell their pick to the highest bidder. They are making a business out of picking and trading out of this position.

Browns still play the Bears, Chargers and Bengals, so that make work out to our favor assuming the Browns win.

Ironically, Paxton may be the pawn we need to get the real QB we need! Go Paxton!


On the bright side, we have a good relationship with the 49ers, we might want to trade positions and maybe throw in Von Miller and no additional picks. I know it sounds crazy, but Von is a huge bargaining chip that not many teams can match. Shoot, Cleveland might even take that offer.