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  • #91
    Originally posted by Rancid View Post
    It is going to take one of Pat Bowlen's heirs to become Owner/Managing partner to re-instill the spirit of winning and accountability that is now absent.

    Elway just bet the farm on a Noob coach with 5-career wins and fired all the loyal staff from the Super Bowl era.

    Seems like Elway is back to lining up under Guard again.
    None of Bowlen's heirs seem capable of owning the team, nor instilling the winning spirit. I think it's more likely the team is eventually sold, which the three trustees have the right to do.

    If you're going to bet the farm on someone they should have their people doing the jobs, sink or swim with their own decisions. And the two who were here the longest work the two positions that never really developed a lot of players. Tolbert developed Decker and Thomas, but they've never had a third receiver that they developed. And the RBs have always been mediocre under Studdesville, not sure how he lasted as long as he did, except for the fact that he's apparently a stand up guy.

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    • #92
      Originally posted by Broncoholic JS View Post
      For us to be a dominant and elite team consistently for 15 years like the Patriots and Steelers? I'm not talking about 3-5 years of it here and there. A good solid run of 15 years of dominance.

      We have a young team that could do it with the right coaching. What needs to happen?
      It all comes back to proper coaching. Leader ship starts at the top and Joseph has none. Kubick was not loaded with it either. Then we fire out experienced DC and OC and bring in inferior people like McCoy and a first year DC to replace them. McCoy trashed San Diego for several years so bring him back here and let him ruin us!
      When we move up to draft a QB as our #1 draft choice, a good OC builds his game plan to the QB's strength, not expect him to change what made him good in college by changing everything he does to match the OC's game plans.
      When we see our specBial team play go way down, we don't keep putting a punt returner back there that has already lost six fumbles! But our special team coach does!
      When you have OL that aren't very adapt to man to man blocking, you may want to try a zone blocking scheme! Our line coach sticks with HIS desired methods rather than change anything!
      We need a QB alright but we need MUCH better coaching.changes and promote coach Joseph to a tackling dummy holder!
      I hope Mr Elway reads this too but I know he probably won't.

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      • #93
        What i was expecting VJ to do, was to get Siemian og any of the others to play reasonably good. I never said “second coming of PM”. As a group they ranked 31st in the league this year. That is selfcombusting. Siemian without VJ last year looked quite a lot better.

        And sure - the draft is a crapshoot, but with 6 quite high picks we should expect 2-3 starters from that group. It does happen that rookies work out you know ;-)
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        • #94
          The answer is EASY. What you need for 10 years of dominance is a Quarterback.

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          • #95
            Originally posted by Chop_Block View Post
            The answer is EASY. What you need for 10 years of dominance is a Quarterback.
            The answer may be easy, getting the 10 yr dominate QB is hard to find and just about impossible without GOOD COACHING! The is what we don't have!
            Please don't let the Joseph touch ruin any more young QB prospect!
            Last edited by Kansas Bob; 01-05-2018, 12:46 PM.

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            • #96
              Exactly.. Stafford, Luck, and Eli are good quarterbacks.. without a good coach their talents are being wasted.

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              • #97
                Originally posted by Chop_Block View Post
                The answer is EASY. What you need for 10 years of dominance is a Quarterback.
                Even then it's not a guarantee, the Saints have probably the 2nd best QB/Coach combo in the NFL, yet this is the first time in 4 years they've made the playoffs.

                It takes a good coach, a good QB, at least an average defense and o-line, and some luck

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                • #98
                  An Outsider's Point Of View

                  I try not to get involved in these matters, since I'm not a fan. However this is what I see, in my limited watching:

                  Off-Season Moves
                  -------------------------
                  This is the biggest weakness. After Manning retired, key FAs stopped wanting to come here, so Elway has signed lesser FAs, and most of them have been mediocre at best. The simple inescapeable truth is that Manning came here to be near Elway. TEN made him a better offer, including a role in the FO, but Peyton wanted to play for Elway (The true GOAT). Ware and Sanders came here to play with Manning & once he retired, DEN's pipeline to key FAs has dried up for a number of reasons.

                  Elway has done well as GM, but he can't draft worth spit. Whomever is doing the evaluating needs to be fired/shot. 2 Pro Bowl players were drafted in his 1st draft but none since, and in that 1st round were an abundance of Pro Bowl players, so he couldn't have busted there. Since then the draft has not been kind to him or the city of DEN

                  QB Play
                  --------------

                  Siemian won 8 games last year but only 5 this year. Brock won 13 games in the two seasons prior two this, so why did both QBs regress this year? My best guess is that the OT were so poor that any time they got hit, they got rattled and started making HORRIBLE decisions, which cost them any shot at winning. Also Paxton is another BUST by Elway

                  OL
                  -------------
                  I already addressed the tackles, but I think the OG did a fair job considering that CJ had his best season, despite the limited # of carries.

                  Running Game
                  -----------------------
                  Can someone tell me why DEN drafted and kept a FB, when they don't use him enough? Why wasn't Jamaal Charles used more? He averaged 5+ YPC and only lost 1 fumble. That seems like another weapon that wasn't utilized properly

                  Tight Ends
                  -----------------
                  You would think that Elway of all people would know how important this position is, since he doesn't win without Shannon Sharpe, but since Julius Thomas left, the QBs haven't thrown to them. Why?

                  WRs
                  ---------

                  I understand why Sanders hasn't been performing lately, he's not used to mediocre QBs, but what is DT's excuse? He had a good game with Orton, and he played well with Tebow, so why can't he play with these QBs? When the ball is coming, jump, dive, do anything that that's humanly possible to catch it. Can someone explain to me why Latimer gets more playing time than Sunshine? He seems like YET ANOTHER underutilized weapon

                  STs
                  -----------

                  This seems like arguably DEN's biggest weakness, and it shouldn't be. If you're a returner, run when you have blockers and don't otherwise. And why is fumbling such a big issue with these guys? You're taught when your young how to properly catch a football, and you work on it in practice. So why can't they do it in a game? Punters, here's a clue for you. Catch the ball and kick it. If you're playing field position, kick it out of bounds near the 20 or further back. If you don't have field position, kick it hard & don't outkick your coverage team. FG kickers, kick it over the bar and between the two pointy things, simple as that

                  Defense
                  -----------------
                  Wrap up properly, when you're trying to tackle. Also you should study the scouting sheet, if a runner is a power runner, don't expect a cutback, just hit him properly. If he's a speed runner, play your lanes and wrap him up. DL hit everyone hard on every play, make them think twice and cringe every time they see you coming. DBs, jam the receivers at the LOS & play the ball, not the man. You want motivation to play hard, how about the MILLIONS that we wish that you had?

                  Play-Calling
                  -----------------

                  Establish the run 1st. I know that it's a passing league, but you need TOP to rest the defense and wear the other team out. It also sets up play-action and other passes. Whatever's working, keep it up, but don't become too predictable

                  Coaching
                  ------------------
                  Play the best players, and play to their strengths

                  That's all for me, sorry if I rambled too much
                  Last edited by HUMCALC; 01-07-2018, 09:50 AM.
                  "Happiness is just an illusion, filled with sadness and confusion." Jimmy Ruffin

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by HUMCALC View Post
                    After Manning retired, key FAs stopped wanting to come here, so Elway has signed lesser FAs, and most of them have been mediocre at best.
                    Who did Elway try and sign and fail besides Calais Campbell?

                    Are you sure this perception of free agents after Manning Retired is not due to the fact that we had a lot of guys we had to keep right after Manning Retired?

                    Von Miller
                    CJ Anderson
                    Bennie Fowler
                    Matt Paradis

                    We did make mistakes but got the guys we targeted in

                    Donald Stephenson - no idea why we kept for 2017
                    Russell Okung
                    Time to build on the win and grow the team from some solid play higher level of play

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                    • Originally posted by HUMCALC View Post
                      I try not to get involved in these matters, since I'm not a fan. However this is what I see, in my limited watching:

                      Off-Season Moves
                      -------------------------
                      This is the biggest weakness. After Manning retired, key FAs stopped wanting to come here, so Elway has signed lesser FAs, and most of them have been mediocre at best. The simple inescapeable truth is that Manning came here to be near Elway. TEN made him a better offer, including a role in the FO, but Peyton wanted to play for Elway (The true GOAT). Ware and Sanders came here to play with Manning & once he retired, DEN's pipeline to key FAs has dried up for a number of reasons.

                      Elway has done well as GM, but he can't draft worth spit. Whomever is doing the evaluating needs to be fired/shot. 2 Pro Bowl players were drafted in his 1st draft but none since, and in that 1st round were an abundance of Pro Bowl players, so he couldn't have busted there. Since then the draft has not been kind to him or the city of DEN

                      QB Play
                      --------------

                      Siemian won 8 games last year but only 5 this year. Brock won 13 games in the two seasons prior two this, so why did both QBs regress this year? My best guess is that the OT were so poor that any time they got hit, they got rattled and started making HORRIBLE decisions, which cost them any shot at winning. Also Paxton is another BUST by Elway

                      OL
                      -------------
                      I already addressed the tackles, but I think the OG did a fair job considering that CJ had his best season, despite the limited # of carries.

                      Running Game
                      -----------------------
                      Can someone tell me why DEN drafted and kept a FB, when they don't use him enough? Why wasn't Jamaal Charles used more? He averaged 5+ YPC and only lost 1 fumble. That seems like another weapon that wasn't utilized properly

                      Tight Ends
                      -----------------
                      You would think that Elway of all people would know how important this position is, since he doesn't win without Shannon Sharpe, but since Julius Thomas left, the QBs haven't thrown to them. Why?

                      WRs
                      ---------

                      I understand why Sanders hasn't been performing lately, he's not used to mediocre QBs, but what is DT's excuse? He had a good game with Orton, and he played well with Tebow, so why can't he play with these QBs? When the ball is coming, jump, dive, do anything that that's humanly possible to catch it. Can someone explain to me why Latimer gets more playing time than Sunshine? He seems like YET ANOTHER underutilized weapon

                      STs
                      -----------

                      This seems like arguably DEN's biggest weakness, and it shouldn't be. If you're a returner, run when you have blockers and don't otherwise. And why is fumbling such a big issue with these guys? You're taught when your young how to properly catch a football, and you work on it in practice. So why can't they do it in a game? Punters, here's a clue for you. Catch the ball and kick it. If you're playing field position, kick it out of bounds near the 20 or further back. If you don't have field position, kick it hard & don't outkick your coverage team. FG kickers, kick it over the bar and between the two pointy things, simple as that

                      Defense
                      -----------------
                      Wrap up properly, when you're trying to tackle. Also you should study the scouting sheet, if a runner is a power runner, don't expect a cutback, just hit him properly. If he's a speed runner, play your lanes and wrap him up. DL hit everyone hard on every play, make them think twice and cringe every time they see you coming. DBs, jam the receivers at the LOS & play the ball, not the man. You want motivation to play hard, how about the MILLIONS that we wish that you had?

                      Play-Calling
                      -----------------

                      Establish the run 1st. I know that it's a passing league, but you need TOP to rest the defense and wear the other team out. It also sets up play-action and other passes. Whatever's working, keep it up, but don't become too predictable

                      Coaching
                      ------------------
                      Play the best players, and play to their strengths

                      That's all for me, sorry if I rambled too much
                      This looks like a cut and paste article......
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                      • Originally posted by EddieMac View Post
                        This looks like a cut and paste article......
                        Are you suggesting notes and bibliography?
                        "Stultum est timere quod vitare non potes." ~ Publilius Syrus

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                        • Originally posted by HUMCALC View Post
                          I try not to get involved in these matters, since I'm not a fan. However this is what I see, in my limited watching:

                          Off-Season Moves
                          -------------------------
                          This is the biggest weakness. After Manning retired, key FAs stopped wanting to come here, so Elway has signed lesser FAs, and most of them have been mediocre at best. The simple inescapeable truth is that Manning came here to be near Elway. TEN made him a better offer, including a role in the FO, but Peyton wanted to play for Elway (The true GOAT). Ware and Sanders came here to play with Manning & once he retired, DEN's pipeline to key FAs has dried up for a number of reasons.

                          Elway has done well as GM, but he can't draft worth spit. Whomever is doing the evaluating needs to be fired/shot. 2 Pro Bowl players were drafted in his 1st draft but none since, and in that 1st round were an abundance of Pro Bowl players, so he couldn't have busted there. Since then the draft has not been kind to him or the city of DEN

                          QB Play
                          --------------

                          Siemian won 8 games last year but only 5 this year. Brock won 13 games in the two seasons prior two this, so why did both QBs regress this year? My best guess is that the OT were so poor that any time they got hit, they got rattled and started making HORRIBLE decisions, which cost them any shot at winning. Also Paxton is another BUST by Elway

                          OL
                          -------------
                          I already addressed the tackles, but I think the OG did a fair job considering that CJ had his best season, despite the limited # of carries.

                          Running Game
                          -----------------------
                          Can someone tell me why DEN drafted and kept a FB, when they don't use him enough? Why wasn't Jamaal Charles used more? He averaged 5+ YPC and only lost 1 fumble. That seems like another weapon that wasn't utilized properly

                          Tight Ends
                          -----------------
                          You would think that Elway of all people would know how important this position is, since he doesn't win without Shannon Sharpe, but since Julius Thomas left, the QBs haven't thrown to them. Why?

                          WRs
                          ---------

                          I understand why Sanders hasn't been performing lately, he's not used to mediocre QBs, but what is DT's excuse? He had a good game with Orton, and he played well with Tebow, so why can't he play with these QBs? When the ball is coming, jump, dive, do anything that that's humanly possible to catch it. Can someone explain to me why Latimer gets more playing time than Sunshine? He seems like YET ANOTHER underutilized weapon

                          STs
                          -----------

                          This seems like arguably DEN's biggest weakness, and it shouldn't be. If you're a returner, run when you have blockers and don't otherwise. And why is fumbling such a big issue with these guys? You're taught when your young how to properly catch a football, and you work on it in practice. So why can't they do it in a game? Punters, here's a clue for you. Catch the ball and kick it. If you're playing field position, kick it out of bounds near the 20 or further back. If you don't have field position, kick it hard & don't outkick your coverage team. FG kickers, kick it over the bar and between the two pointy things, simple as that

                          Defense
                          -----------------
                          Wrap up properly, when you're trying to tackle. Also you should study the scouting sheet, if a runner is a power runner, don't expect a cutback, just hit him properly. If he's a speed runner, play your lanes and wrap him up. DL hit everyone hard on every play, make them think twice and cringe every time they see you coming. DBs, jam the receivers at the LOS & play the ball, not the man. You want motivation to play hard, how about the MILLIONS that we wish that you had?

                          Play-Calling
                          -----------------

                          Establish the run 1st. I know that it's a passing league, but you need TOP to rest the defense and wear the other team out. It also sets up play-action and other passes. Whatever's working, keep it up, but don't become too predictable

                          Coaching
                          ------------------
                          Play the best players, and play to their strengths

                          That's all for me, sorry if I rambled too much
                          I think that you're pretty accurate with most of your opinions

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                          • Originally posted by samparnell View Post
                            Are you suggesting notes and bibliography?
                            Hahha. In APA format and full credits to the author...

                            I don’t miss university now that all the terms just came up...
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                            • Originally posted by HUMCALC View Post
                              I try not to get involved in these matters, since I'm not a fan. However this is what I see, in my limited watching:

                              Off-Season Moves
                              -------------------------
                              This is the biggest weakness. After Manning retired, key FAs stopped wanting to come here, so Elway has signed lesser FAs, and most of them have been mediocre at best. The simple inescapeable truth is that Manning came here to be near Elway. TEN made him a better offer, including a role in the FO, but Peyton wanted to play for Elway (The true GOAT). Ware and Sanders came here to play with Manning & once he retired, DEN's pipeline to key FAs has dried up for a number of reasons.

                              Elway has done well as GM, but he can't draft worth spit. Whomever is doing the evaluating needs to be fired/shot. 2 Pro Bowl players were drafted in his 1st draft but none since, and in that 1st round were an abundance of Pro Bowl players, so he couldn't have busted there. Since then the draft has not been kind to him or the city of DEN

                              QB Play
                              --------------

                              Siemian won 8 games last year but only 5 this year. Brock won 13 games in the two seasons prior two this, so why did both QBs regress this year? My best guess is that the OT were so poor that any time they got hit, they got rattled and started making HORRIBLE decisions, which cost them any shot at winning. Also Paxton is another BUST by Elway

                              OL
                              -------------
                              I already addressed the tackles, but I think the OG did a fair job considering that CJ had his best season, despite the limited # of carries.

                              Running Game
                              -----------------------
                              Can someone tell me why DEN drafted and kept a FB, when they don't use him enough? Why wasn't Jamaal Charles used more? He averaged 5+ YPC and only lost 1 fumble. That seems like another weapon that wasn't utilized properly

                              Tight Ends
                              -----------------
                              You would think that Elway of all people would know how important this position is, since he doesn't win without Shannon Sharpe, but since Julius Thomas left, the QBs haven't thrown to them. Why?

                              WRs
                              ---------

                              I understand why Sanders hasn't been performing lately, he's not used to mediocre QBs, but what is DT's excuse? He had a good game with Orton, and he played well with Tebow, so why can't he play with these QBs? When the ball is coming, jump, dive, do anything that that's humanly possible to catch it. Can someone explain to me why Latimer gets more playing time than Sunshine? He seems like YET ANOTHER underutilized weapon

                              STs
                              -----------

                              This seems like arguably DEN's biggest weakness, and it shouldn't be. If you're a returner, run when you have blockers and don't otherwise. And why is fumbling such a big issue with these guys? You're taught when your young how to properly catch a football, and you work on it in practice. So why can't they do it in a game? Punters, here's a clue for you. Catch the ball and kick it. If you're playing field position, kick it out of bounds near the 20 or further back. If you don't have field position, kick it hard & don't outkick your coverage team. FG kickers, kick it over the bar and between the two pointy things, simple as that

                              Defense
                              -----------------
                              Wrap up properly, when you're trying to tackle. Also you should study the scouting sheet, if a runner is a power runner, don't expect a cutback, just hit him properly. If he's a speed runner, play your lanes and wrap him up. DL hit everyone hard on every play, make them think twice and cringe every time they see you coming. DBs, jam the receivers at the LOS & play the ball, not the man. You want motivation to play hard, how about the MILLIONS that we wish that you had?

                              Play-Calling
                              -----------------

                              Establish the run 1st. I know that it's a passing league, but you need TOP to rest the defense and wear the other team out. It also sets up play-action and other passes. Whatever's working, keep it up, but don't become too predictable

                              Coaching
                              ------------------
                              Play the best players, and play to their strengths

                              That's all for me, sorry if I rambled too much
                              Well thought out & I would like Elway & Kubiak to sit the coach down and get answers to these questions. I mean other than a set of horrible QB's this team could have won the division so we are not that far off. And I would add who the hell decided Sloter didn't deserve a spot?? Minn who is in the playoffs have kept him on the roster as the 2nd QB why???
                              Bronco Bob

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