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  • We're going to score points in 2018!!

    First props to Elway for getting character draftees!! Case Keenum loves throwing the jump ball and between the addition of Courtland Sutton and DaeSean Hamilton, these guys love competing for those balls! I think all this young talent on offense is going to challenge the incumbents to step up their game if they want to keep their starting positions. Players like Booker and McKenzie and Lynch are not going to get free passes this year! The talent is on the team now, so it is up to the coaches to get the best players in the games (unlike last year). More than anything, this year's draft class has game smarts and I think that was what was missing in previous drafts, it is next level football awareness.

    I know Elway is not done yet, he just signed a local CU Buff RB Phillip Lindsey who looks like he could easily be our new punt returner or scat back, I've only seen his highlights but he looks like he has good vision and a drive to get the score. We still need some O-Line/D-Line beef and we'll be set, I'm sure that is coming.

    This could be a fun year to watch the Broncos!! I think this time expectations will be fulfilled. I hope we can start by winning the division and Case becomes the veteran field general that I know is in him. To the 2018 season
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    I don't think Elway is done yet either. Adding Chubb was unexpected and the Broncos are rich with pass rushers; one of them could be traded for a guard or NT.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Rancid View Post
      I don't think Elway is done yet either. Adding Chubb was unexpected and the Broncos are rich with pass rushers; one of them could be traded for a guard or NT.
      I would think Shane Ray has more value as part of a trade now than as a player for us. It may make sense to trade him to a team like Dallas that needs LBs and seems to have a surplus of OL.

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      • #4
        I hope Musgrave can do for Keenum and our offense what he did for Carr and OAK's offense while he was their OC.

        Especially now that Musgrave has this off-season to install and run his offense.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by lvbronx View Post
          I would think Shane Ray has more value as part of a trade now than as a player for us. It may make sense to trade him to a team like Dallas that needs LBs and seems to have a surplus of OL.
          This is a great idea.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by lvbronx View Post
            I would think Shane Ray has more value as part of a trade now than as a player for us. It may make sense to trade him to a team like Dallas that needs LBs and seems to have a surplus of OL.
            IDK, does Ray have much trade value? He's not been productive in a starting role, and oft-injured. His best production as a pass rusher was spelling Ware, but even then he was a liability against the run. Maybe someone will take a flier on him turning it around, but we'd get a similar guy in return - someone the team has mentally moved on from.

            OTOH, Chubb's not going to play every snap, and you can never have too many pass rushers. Maybe Ray rehabilitates his image by being an impact player on a rotational basis.

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            • #7
              Just so you know, the work to turn this team around doesn't stop with the a good draft, there were a lot of coaching errors last year and that's what needs to be fixed still. We could end up a bad team again if there are no changes with the coaching!! Vance needs constant feedback, the mgmt needs to do whatever it takes to fix VJ's issues from last year as well as well as the other coaching disasters (Special Teams, I'm looking at you). Best player of each positions need to be on the field PERIOD! Then use those players to bring out their best talents. No passes for veterans or high draft picks! Every week, the best players start. Eventually the mgmt can be hands off, but not until VJ can prove he is up for the job.
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              • #8
                I agree that Chubb falling to the Broncos was unexpected and now they need to fill some other holes that they expected to fill with that pick or two picks later in the round. Not a bad problem to have that is for sure. I really like that we added offense to this team and were lucky enough to add the best pass rusher available to our D.

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                • #9
                  Yes I think we can score a lot of points & it looks like Keenum is lighting it up in practice. My biggest worry? All the dumb coaching decisions like running McKenzie out there. Keeping Booker & Henderson & not using Latimer. Whose decisions were those?? I saw a lot in Latimer in the last 2 games to make me wonder what we missed. I hope we go into training camp with every position open and players no matter where are giving a real chance to start. And how about 5 recievers ? Or 2 tight end set? I will be at camp watching to see if this is a real turnaround. I look back to the mishandling of Sloter as worrisome. Now will Sloter be the next Steve Young or Bret Favre? Probably not , but when VJ says he has no chance and JE lowballs him vs Minn. you lost him for those reasons and he was by far the best QB in PS.
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                  • #10
                    Hell, if we can just stop sabotaging our own defense with turnovers that would be a great first step. The only team that had a worse TO differential last year was Cleveland.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by haciendadad View Post
                      Just so you know, the work to turn this team around doesn't stop with the a good draft, there were a lot of coaching errors last year and that's what needs to be fixed still. We could end up a bad team again if there are no changes with the coaching!! Vance needs constant feedback, the mgmt needs to do whatever it takes to fix VJ's issues from last year as well as well as the other coaching disasters (Special Teams, I'm looking at you). Best player of each positions need to be on the field PERIOD! Then use those players to bring out their best talents. No passes for veterans or high draft picks! Every week, the best players start. Eventually the mgmt can be hands off, but not until VJ can prove he is up for the job.
                      This is my BIGGEST fear. A team can be filled with all world talent but if you have mediocre coaching and game planning, all that talent is for naught. VJ and Joe Woods were a duo disaster. I hope theyve learned from last season and stop fixing what isnt broke (defense) and let the best players play and put them in position to be successful.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by gerontion View Post
                        Hell, if we can just stop sabotaging our own defense with turnovers that would be a great first step. The only team that had a worse TO differential last year was Cleveland.
                        And they had far more close losses than we did.

                        Now its the coaching staffs responsibility to put us in a place to succeed
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by lvbronx View Post
                          I would think Shane Ray has more value as part of a trade now than as a player for us. It may make sense to trade him to a team like Dallas that needs LBs and seems to have a surplus of OL.
                          I can see the potential in trading him, but to some extent we'd be trading for an unknown value while we know what we have in Shane Ray. Chubb's addition will help everyone on the defensive line (I'm thinking Wolfe most of all) so I'm in favor of keeping Shane Ray so that the Bronco's have a stable of fresh pass rushers ready to go for 60 minutes.

                          Ultimately I think money will be the deciding factor, and I suspect Ray could make more money elsewhere so he may leave. I'd like him to stay in any case.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by dukes88 View Post
                            I agree that Chubb falling to the Broncos was unexpected .
                            We were fortunate the Brown's had two of the first four picks, otherwise there's no way Chubb would have still been available at 5. I wonder if Elway's move of bringing the whole front office to see Baker Mayfield's pro day was a successful smoke screen or if Elway just got lucky.

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                            • #15
                              Forget NASCAR it's time for a Blitzkrieg!

                              Good morning Broncos Country,

                              By now most NFL fans are familiar with the NASCAR defense made popular by the NYG front 4 during their SB window years. 4 DL all pass rush specialists generating pressure via matchups.

                              With the most recent NFL draft in the books and a new revived Bronco roster I wanted to discuss the viability of a different concept. No doubt the coaches in Bronco Country can place this concept in historical perspective and provide valuable feedback.

                              Blitzkrieg (German for "Lightning War"): Used to describe a superior unrelenting strike force with speed and agility

                              We have a myriad of pass rushing specialists that are more 3-4 LB types then 4-3 DE types (NASCAR) although some do fit either mold.

                              The Blitzkrieg concept is simple: Place the best 7 "pass rushing LB types" on the field as the front 7 in an obvious passing situation. Have all 7 standing up (2 point stance) at the LOS with 5/7 rushing and 2/7 dropping back into coverage... and the opposing offense has no idea which 5 are coming and which 2 are dropping into coverage.

                              Example of Blitzkrieg formation:

                              Ray - Barret - Miller - Walker - Marshall - Chubb - Holland

                              Imagine if you are an OL and you get to the LOS and see those 7 all standing up in a Blitz look and no idea which 1 is the Mike, which ones are coming or which ones are dropping. The attack must be different each time to keep the offense in complete darkness and unable to make the correct blocking read.

                              Could this Blitzkrieg concept actually work in obvious passing situations?
                              Would it be as effective as the design indicates?
                              Has this type of attack been used historically and did it work?

                              Let me know your thoughts (especially the coaches).

                              -GB2
                              Last edited by 16TheSnake; 05-02-2018, 11:42 AM.

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