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  • Originally posted by cirehawk View Post
    Because just going by stats don't tell the whole story, especially after 2 games. I'll give you an admittedly primitive example. Through 2 games Aaron Donald has 0 sacks, 2 tackles and 3 assists. Chubb has 0.5 sacks, 3 tackles and 3 assists. Chubb's stats are a little better, but is he a better player?
    you don't have to go stats. Lindsay looks like a consistant play maker on the field. Chubb does not. simple as that.
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    • Originally posted by cirehawk View Post
      Exactly. If Chubb is doing good against the run, helping collapse the middle of the pocket so the QB can't escape (and thus allowing Von to get a sack), then he is doing a great job. Judging his impact solely on sacks is misleading, and the sacks will probably come eventually. That is why I said even though Lindsay appears to be having a bigger impact, it doesn't mean he is a better player.
      Exactly. Too many fans focus on the sack stat. I've seen them rag on Miller some years because his sacks aren't high enough, meanwhile, he's developed into one of the best, most complete outside linebackers in the league. He's not a pass rush specialist, he's a defensive monster.

      Chubb has that same potential. He's good in coverage, he's good against the run and he can help collapse the line. So what if he doesn't have 100 sacks and 50 force fumbles through two games. He's still played very well for a rookie. He's lived up to the hype in my eyes. Some people need to lower their expectations and learn to watch the film instead of the stat-line.
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      • I enjoy how silly this thread and think it's awesome it exists. #bcmb

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        • I didn't like the pick. I would have preferred Nelson, but Geez Louise, it's been two games. Give the guy a break!
          "Happiness is just an illusion, filled with sadness and confusion." Jimmy Ruffin

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          • Originally posted by Rastic View Post
            Except the obvious difference is that Donald has an already established body of work in the NFL and teams definitely scheme for him on the field. Chubb does not.

            Labeling a boom or bust at this point is really pointless. He's played two games against two very different offenses. PFF's rating should not be ignored but neither should it be used to forecast his future.
            Exactly. And I purposely started my post by saying it was an admittedly primitive comparison. I was actually arguing that you can't really use Lindsay's stats after 2 games to say that right now he seems to be a better player than Chubb. I'm not declaring he's a boom and I agree it is way too early to label these rookies. The debate is whether Chubb was over hyped, The PFF rating says to me that after 2 games he is doing a really good job, and I don't think he was over hyped.

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            • Originally posted by Zealander View Post
              I enjoy how silly this thread and think it's awesome it exists. #bcmb
              Are you not entertained? ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED!!!

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              • Originally posted by broncos SB2010 View Post
                you don't have to go stats. Lindsay looks like a consistant play maker on the field. Chubb does not. simple as that.
                Ahhhh... okay. If you're gonna make an argument of consistency after 2 games, I have no comeback to that.

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                • Originally posted by cirehawk View Post
                  Ahhhh... okay. If you're gonna make an argument of consistency after 2 games, I have no comeback to that.
                  NO!!!! YOU MUST KNEE JERK NOW!!!!!!

                  Seriously guys...chill out, it's two games....Rome wasn't built in a day. Chubb will be just fine.

                  Take a couple steps back from that ledge and get some deep breaths in. Also, eat a snickers, you become browns fans when you are hungry.
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                  • Bradley Chubb is not playing the same position he played in college. I think that has to be taken into consideration.

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                    • Originally posted by Hph5 View Post
                      Bradley Chubb is not playing the same position he played in college. I think that has to be taken into consideration.


                      Hmmmm Just like D.Walker? Coaching seems to be the problem.

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                      • Originally posted by DENVERSB50CHAMP View Post
                        Hmmmm Just like D.Walker? Coaching seems to be the problem.
                        No...Very different situations. Chubb has the talent and ability to transition from DE to OLB, Walker is best suited on the line. Not every player can make the transition from DE to OLB (Doom comes to mind as one who could) but I think moving Chubb to OLB is a very smart move in this instance.

                        Hph5 isn't knocking the coaching staff, just pointing out that he's learning a new position. You have to recognize that before you expect him to play at the same level he once did. He'll get there, but there's a lot more to take into consideration than "he was great in college, but two games in, he isn't as great as he looked like he could be"
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                        • Pro Football Focus views him better than many of our fans....
                          https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl...ey-chubb/48526
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                          • Myles Garrett had 7 Sacks his rookie year. Jadeveon Clowney had 0 Sacks his first season, mainly because of a knee injury, and had 4.5 Sacks his 2nd year, and 6 his 3rd year, and 9.5 Sacks last year.

                            I fully expect Bradley Chubb to mirror those two Pass Rushers. If anybody had expectations above those levels based on some perceived "hype", well that's their problem.

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                            • Originally posted by gtown53 View Post
                              Myles Garrett had 7 Sacks his rookie year. Jadeveon Clowney had 0 Sacks his first season, mainly because of a knee injury, and had 4.5 Sacks his 2nd year, and 6 his 3rd year, and 9.5 Sacks last year.

                              I fully expect Bradley Chubb to mirror those two Pass Rushers. If anybody had expectations above those levels based on some perceived "hype", well that's their problem.
                              Clowney never lived up to his draft hype.
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                              • Originally posted by broncos SB2010 View Post
                                Clowney never lived up to his draft hype.
                                Never? I forgot he retired and didn't still have a full career ahead of him to overcome injuries and continue improving on last years 9.5 sacks.
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