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  • Originally posted by broncos SB2010 View Post
    Clowney never lived up to his draft hype.
    Absurd. He was hurt. He had 9.5 Sacks last season, and is FULLY living up to his "hype".

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    • Originally posted by gtown53 View Post
      Absurd. He was hurt. He had 9.5 Sacks last season, and is FULLY living up to his "hype".
      Well I wouldn't say fully. Fully would be somewhere near a Von Miller or JJ Watt career year in sacks. But he is definitely improving each year post injuries. And could still very well end up with 1 of those career years.

      I'm torn between the two of you. I wouldn't say never lived up to the hype that sounds like his career is over. But I wouldn't say fully living up to it either.
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      • Drafting Players as a DE's and playing them as CB's is just absurd and Ridiculous.

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        • Originally posted by DenverBlood View Post
          Well I wouldn't say fully. Fully would be somewhere near a Von Miller or JJ Watt career year in sacks. But he is definitely improving each year post injuries. And could still very well end up with 1 of those career years.

          I'm torn between the two of you. I wouldn't say never lived up to the hype that sounds like his career is over. But I wouldn't say fully living up to it either.
          Thats problem with fan "hype", they expect just because a player was drafted early in the 1st round, that means they should be instantly as good as once in a generation type players like Miller and Watt, and anything less they're a bust.

          This type of thinking is completely unrealistic in the NFL, yet it still exists. This is why ridiculous threads like this one always pop up. Because of what Von Miller was able to do in his career, Chubb will be held to that standard, even though there is very little chance of him accomplishing what Miller has.

          Chubb could end up being a good player or even an elite player, but if his career doesn't equal or surpass Von Miller's, he will always be a bust in some people's minds.

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          • Originally posted by 58Miller View Post
            Pro Football Focus views him better than many of our fans....
            https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl...ey-chubb/48526
            Everyone views him better than some of our fans!

            http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...jumps-off-film

            2) Bradley Chubb, edge rusher, Denver Broncos
            Chubb has to work on getting off blocks, but he made an instant impact in the season opener with half a sack and a handful of hurries opposite an unstoppable Von Miller. More than just a pass rusher, he was a force against Marshawn Lynch and Oakland's ground attack in Week 2.
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            • Originally posted by Hph5 View Post
              Bradley Chubb is not playing the same position he played in college. I think that has to be taken into consideration.
              Originally posted by DENVERSB50CHAMP View Post
              Hmmmm Just like D.Walker? Coaching seems to be the problem.
              I don't think this is so black and white as it might first seem.

              First off, Walker has not even been active on either of our two games. Tough decision but if you only want to dress 5 DL-men, someone has to sit; we're that deep on the defensive line.

              So, if we make Chubb a DE, we'll now have another inactive DL-man, whom would you choose Chubb to replace based on his play right now?

              The five linemen we had active vs. the Raiders were Derek Wolfe (DE), Domata Peko (NT), Adam Gotsis (DE), Shelby Harris (NT) and Zach Kerr (DE).

              He could probably replace Kerr as depth playing behind Wolfe and Gotsis but in game 1 Kerr played just 19% of the defensive snaps. In game 2 Kerr played 32%.

              As a hybrid OLB (position listed as Edge by NFL.com) Chubb played 95% of defensive snaps vs Seahawks and 74% vs. Raiders.

              Point being if you move him he'll likely see less of the field right now. Playing in a hybrid position seems a fair compromise for his talent right now, allowing him to rush the passer and play the run from the line from a 4 or 5 technique rather than a 3 technique with his hand in the dirt.

              From all appearances he's doing ok and this is not a similar issue we had last year with Walker when he was moved to OLB by necessity because of Ray's injury.

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              • Originally posted by Freyaka View Post
                Exactly. Too many fans focus on the sack stat. I've seen them rag on Miller some years because his sacks aren't high enough, meanwhile, he's developed into one of the best, most complete outside linebackers in the league. He's not a pass rush specialist, he's a defensive monster.

                Chubb has that same potential. He's good in coverage, he's good against the run and he can help collapse the line. So what if he doesn't have 100 sacks and 50 force fumbles through two games. He's still played very well for a rookie. He's lived up to the hype in my eyes. Some people need to lower their expectations and learn to watch the film instead of the stat-line.
                But that's what we want!

                Superbowl 50 MVP Von Miller on February 7th, 2016

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                • Originally posted by DENVERSB50CHAMP View Post
                  Drafting Players as a DE's and playing them as CB's is just absurd and Ridiculous.
                  Having a 6' 4" near 280 lb.CB would be crazy if he could actually play the position.

                  I think you meant an LB

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                  • Originally posted by DENVERSB50CHAMP View Post
                    Drafting Players as a DE's and playing them as CB's is just absurd and Ridiculous.
                    That would be absurd and ridiculous. We have never and will never do that.

                    We do however use them in coverage as OLB's that is neither absurd nor is it ridiculous. There is a learning curve, but it will make him a more complete player in the long run. Von has played both DE and OLB in his career, he's been fine. In fact, coming into the league, a lot of people thought it was a bad move for us to be drafting Von Miller because he was best suited for a 4-3 defense and we were making him a 3-4 OLB. People didn't think it would be a position he'd be well suited to.

                    He's one of the most complete OLB's in the league and he can do it all, pass coverage, run coverage, pass rush, ect...

                    Chubb will be perfectly suited for the position we're playing him at. He's got the same level of talent as Von.
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                    • Originally posted by L.M. View Post
                      But that's what we want!
                      It is, and I want a million dollars, but unfortunately, it's not instant and it takes work and time to get to that point.
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                      • Originally posted by gtown53 View Post
                        Absurd. He was hurt. He had 9.5 Sacks last season, and is FULLY living up to his "hype".
                        you have got to be kidding me. started 1 full season out of 5, including already missing 1 game this season and he was called the potentially best draft prospect in history. tell me he lived up to that
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                        • Originally posted by broncos SB2010 View Post
                          you have got to be kidding me. started 1 full season out of 5, including already missing 1 game this season and he was called the potentially best draft prospect in history. tell me he lived up to that
                          His career isn't over with. He's on pace to finish strong and have a good career. Who cares what some idiot hyped him up to? People make idiotic hype predictions all the time for players. He's still a good player and he's still got years ahead of him to live up to the draft pick he was taken with.

                          Meanwhile, Chubb is doing just fine and some of our fans just need a reason to complain about something. Life isn't complete without complaining.
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                          • Originally posted by Freyaka View Post
                            His career isn't over with. He's on pace to finish strong and have a good career. Who cares what some idiot hyped him up to? People make idiotic hype predictions all the time for players. He's still a good player and he's still got years ahead of him to live up to the draft pick he was taken with.

                            Meanwhile, Chubb is doing just fine and some of our fans just need a reason to complain about something. Life isn't complete without complaining.
                            nobody said he didn't have a good season last year. the discussion is...living up to draft hype. tell me you think he is living up to that.
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                            • Originally posted by broncos SB2010 View Post
                              nobody said he didn't have a good season last year. the discussion is...living up to draft hype. tell me you think he is living up to that.
                              Honestly, was he ever really going to live up to his draft hype?

                              Because he was drafted 1st overall many expected him to be an instant hall of famer, but the NFL doesn't work that way. He proved the last 2 years, if he can stay healthy he can be a good player. But, he will never and was likely never going to live up to his draft hype.

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                              • Originally posted by broncos SB2010 View Post
                                nobody said he didn't have a good season last year. the discussion is...living up to draft hype. tell me you think he is living up to that.
                                He is for as much as he is able now that he's healthy again. Not the over the top "best of all time" hype because that's just absurd and no one should actually take crap like that seriously.

                                But he's living up to the position he is drafted.

                                If you judge players based off of hype, you are going to have a lot of disappointment in your sports watching. Most first round picks are very overhyped...It doesn't mean they aren't worth where they were drafted.
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