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  • #16
    Originally posted by Humberg View Post
    Just a reality check. Looking at what Mahomes did tonight, what Mayfield has been doing, what Rosen looked like (even in a loss) yesterday, to some extent Allen and Darnold, Trubisky, it seems worth reflecting on our lack of participation in the "draft a young franchise QB game."

    So I keep hearing about what a great draft we had (this year of course, we can ignore the previous years drafts that have been horrid and not even worth defending). I'll agree our young draft picks seem promising. Ok, so the question is does good drafting of other positions make up for ignoring the QB position?

    For the game tonight would you rather have had a young, gunner franchise QB fresh off your #1 draft choice (Rosen for instance) or was it enough to see Chubb doing nothing, Sutton giving the game away, Freeman doing well but invisible in the second half, Hamilton catching punts reliably (which is not insignificant after the awful experiment last year with our draft pick) and Jewell being good but not impact? I would have traded all of these guys for a good QB.

    You know what, lets look at our last years draft - oh wait, its entirely forgettable featuring only one player, Bolles, and him being quite possibly the worst LT we have EVER had. Just where exactly are our draft choices showing up and someone explain to me why we didn't draft a #1 QB when we had the chance this year? And based on how our draft is going, I almost think it would have been worth packaging any combination of draft picks to move up and select the QB that Denver wanted, whomever it was. Because, frankly, it's more likely than not that we will bungle most of our upcoming picks based on past history. Does someone really want to make the argument that we are likely to strike gold with any future draft pick and its so precious that we had to hold onto it instead of using it to get a franchise QB?

    Since 2010, we have had roughly 72 draft picks, 16 are playing on the active roster. That's a hit rate of 22%. I wish I were the GM because I know what my pitch would be - "Please, someone take our draft picks and give us a franchise QB. Take whatever you feel its worth and leave the franchise QB at the door." I find myself red with Mahomes envy, Black with Trubisky envy, Green with Darnold envy, orange with Mayfield envy (although the Browns really gotta upgrade that color scheme IMO), and deeper red with Rosen envy. I would even be a little blue with Allen envy I suppose, although I think he's the least promising.

    A good QB could even make this ridiculous coaching staff look good.

    The high 1st round draft choice comes along so rarely, unless you are perpetually bad (which we might be headed for), you gotta make it count when you have it, especially in a year like last year with a bunch of QBs that have a decent shot of being special. We bungled it. Chubb has 1.5 sacks this year...........and we have no future at QB on this roster. If that hurts a bit, it should.
    every Qb is gonna be great if drafted high, i am not sold on most the QB who where open when we drafted. your getting super hyped up about 1 or 2 people i bet end up busting. i feel that Mahomes is not the general and will come crashing down to earth. he is still in the upper echelon of QBs. but he would not nearly look as good here. nor would any of the QB. next you act like franchise QB grow on trees. if they where as easy to find as you seem to think every team in the nfl would have a Franchise QB.

    Also Explain to me to how disrupting the passer on the defense and getting good pressure. not to mention doing well vs the run. how that is doing nothing. this is just your bias based on wanting us to get a QB. you know what it may be better we didn't what if rosen and allen busts hard. then we will look like the smart ones cause none of the QB hit that we could have selected. it is still to early to say these guys are gonna be Great hits in the nfl.
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    • #17
      I wanted Rosen and that hasn't changed. Watched the Cards game last night and man, if not for 4 dropped passes (two by Larry Fitzgerald), Rosen would have had at least 3 pass TDs in his first game against a division rival. All of the dropped passes were absolute dimes too. Throws with zip that you'll never see Keenum make.

      Now, Swag still just might save us but if not, passing on Rosen is going to haunt this franchise for years to come. Darnold and Allen will be busts though. I stand by that statement.
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      • #18
        Yes... I would rather have any other combo as our HC-QB duo, in the NFL today, over Joseph/Keenum. Both crumbled under the weight of minimal expectations in early Oct... there’s no hope for success with these 2. We have the worst, this is reality, and this means the best we can hope for is the be a 7-9 type of scrappy club.

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        • #19
          I wasn't high on any QB from this year's class, but I would give my left nut for Mahomes.
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          • #20
            Originally posted by The Experience View Post
            I wasn't high on any QB from this year's class, but I would give my left nut for Mahomes.
            He's SO good

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Amy-Selic View Post
              He's SO good
              And it pains me to say that because I hate the Chiefs, but I can't not like that guy. He seems like a good dude and he is a phenomenal talent.
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              • #22
                What are you guys' thoughts on Trace McSorely from PSU? I want to believe he'd make a good NFL QB, and hes definetly a playmaker, but the reality in me says hes a NCAA QB and thats it. Thoughts?
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                • #23
                  We could bring in the next QB and unless he plays like Mahomes, Broncos Country will be down on him. Also, I guess Broncos Country thinks this is a Super Bowl team and if we lose we just lost our chance to get to the SB. Everyone predicted that this team might be an 8-8 team, so when we lose to the best team in the league that is a legit SB team, why the surprise? If anything we should see that this team has some promise and has discovered many areas that worked, now just apply those to the next games.


                  Some things that looked better in this game:
                  - The running game! Royce ran better this game.
                  - The coverage played a lot tighter which for 55 minutes served us well
                  - A lot less penalties, I wonder if someone got in Bolles' face and told him to just stop with the holding?
                  - Billy Turner did a great job at RT when Valdere went out
                  - Very few 3 and outs this week

                  If we played like this every week, we'd win 70% of our games. This team has had a lot of turn over and new players, we are 4 games into the season, good teams don't just come together for the first time and become an instant great team! Look at JAX or the LAR, these teams looked bad for a long time while they were finding all the right pieces, now they are both elite teams but in order to get those top player they needed to get high draft picks which means a lot of losing too.
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by haciendadad View Post
                    We could bring in the next QB and unless he plays like Mahomes, Broncos Country will be down on him. Also, I guess Broncos Country thinks this is a Super Bowl team and if we lose we just lost our chance to get to the SB. Everyone predicted that this team might be an 8-8 team, so when we lose to the best team in the league that is a legit SB team, why the surprise? If anything we should see that this team has some promise and has discovered many areas that worked, now just apply those to the next games.


                    Some things that looked better in this game:
                    - The running game! Royce ran better this game.
                    - The coverage played a lot tighter which for 55 minutes served us well
                    - A lot less penalties, I wonder if someone got in Bolles' face and told him to just stop with the holding?
                    - Billy Turner did a great job at RT when Valdere went out
                    - Very few 3 and outs this week

                    If we played like this every week, we'd win 70% of our games. This team has had a lot of turn over and new players, we are 4 games into the season, good teams don't just come together for the first time and become an instant great team! Look at JAX or the LAR, these teams looked bad for a long time while they were finding all the right pieces, now they are both elite teams but in order to get those top player they needed to get high draft picks which means a lot of losing too.
                    Defense usually wins championships, and we shredded the KC defense in our run game last night. I still got LA beating these arrogant pricks in the big game.

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                    • #25
                      Hold your horses please.

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                      • #26
                        I have often believed that taking a known quantity is far better than gambling with draft picks.

                        I believe several teams in the league have shown this methodology is effective

                        Moreover, it is incredibly apparent that the executives of the Broncos do not have a good handle on drafting QB talent as evidenced
                        by our most recent draft failures at the position.

                        I believe the Broncos wanted Mayfield, but felt the cost was too high. However, was the cost too high considering the cost of languishing as a mediocre team. I mean it's now been a number of years from when we were last really good.
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                        • #27
                          I personally felt Mayfield was the only special QB in this draft. We never had a chance to draft him so I would argue its a moot point. Cleveland was taking him no matter what.

                          I like what Elway did with the draft, but I must say, Chubb has been a major disappointment. Dude is having no real impact on games.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by taz1458 View Post
                            What are you guys' thoughts on Trace McSorely from PSU? I want to believe he'd make a good NFL QB, and hes definetly a playmaker, but the reality in me says hes a NCAA QB and thats it. Thoughts?
                            He is a poor man's Russell Wilson, maybe a Doug Flutie. He does not have the arm talent of RW, looks to run as much as he looks to pass, has the ability to get first downs on his legs and needs taller wideouts to come down with contested balls to win at the NFL level. He does not throw his WRs open as much, and does not have the anticipation that Baker Mayfield has to release the ball before the break is made consistently. Baker can work in a timing offense far better.

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                            • #29
                              A few comments directed at multiple posts here:

                              1. I'd like for us to hold back on pointing to other drafts and our QB choices. Tim Tebow was drafted 1 year ahead of when Elway came into the picture with us. Paxton Lynch was the 3rd QB selected in the 1st round. Traditionally the only success in the 1st round comes from the 1st and second QBs selected. In fact the last draft which had three talented QBs selected who wound up becoming anything of note was the draft where Eli, Big Ben & Rivers were all selected in the 1st.

                              2. We are a much better team then we've shown. I also believe that our playbook is being intentionally limited because of Case's ability to play (or lack there of).

                              3. A young QB traditionally does well when he has a good to great TE. We have average at best at that position on our team. We don't have a size guy we don't have a speed guy and we definitely don't have a combo guy who is both.

                              4. Last but not least - Coaching/Coaches. We just are not as good as we should be there. The most successful young QBs have exceptional coaches. In fact with the exception of Bill Bellick most HC's who have done well with young QBs are offensively minded. We also need a HC/OC who takes the reins and develops and instills a clear identity. Lastly you also need a coach who can be flexible enough to change their approach quickly when it is not working.

                              So unless we as a team are willing to trade up to the #1 pick in the 2019 draft then I don't see us doing well. picking a QB in the draft because the guy selected QB3 or QB4 tends to just not work out more often than not. I'd also like to point out that at some point our FO and HC need to make a decision. If Case is not doing his part and we are in need of a QB...AGAIN....then we need to see if Kelly can be our guy. Ultimately we need to see what we have 1st....which means that swag Kelly is gonna need to get on that field and play for us.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Humberg View Post
                                I’d give three or four first rounders for Mahomes right now...
                                Originally posted by Amy-Selic View Post
                                mahomes is once in a generation and is going to absolutely clamp this division for the next 10 years unfortunately, so yes i am jealous they have him. The NFL doesn't see this level of talent and play often
                                Mahomes has played 5 NFL games, and looked awful for about 3 quarters last night. Denver was the first team to try and confuse him and to challenge him, and he struggled until Denver went away from that. It's way too early for the praise he's getting heaped on him right now.

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