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  • VonElway758
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    Originally posted by BroncoFanDK View Post
    First off we have 10 mill on Keenum even if he does not play here, so there is no real financial argument.

    While I believe that the job of the QB is to win and TB did well on that account in 2016, but in every measurable category Keenum did better in 2017. Higher win percentage, success in the playoffs, completed more passes, higher scoring percentage, fewer turnovers......

    Obviously the Vikings teams were really good, but there is no indication that the ceiling of Bridgewater is higher than Keenum. Case has some traits where Joe Flacco can stretch the field a whole lot more, but there is little that seem enticing about Teddy Bridgewater, that I see indicate future success.

    The interesting question is really what made Keenum so successful in 2017 and why was he sub par in 2018. It is not his skills that have diminished and until we can get someone with both mentality and skills to be better, we have to figure out how to win our division with the likes of Keenum.
    Genuine question:
    Is it not only $10m guaranteed going up to $18m?
    I’m only asking because I thought it was.

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  • dgobronco
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    yeah, hit send too quickly! I share the envy - it's exciting to watch a young player elevate his team and know that your team always has a chance. Case doesn't exactly inspire the same sense of hope!

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  • CanDB
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    Originally posted by CanDB View Post
    As long as Mahomes does not get that tag, I envy KC fans. Nothing better than having a young, franchise QB (already All Pro!). So exciting to watch, and with so many years ahead. And for the organization....nothing like looking for FAs and draft picks, and not having to look too much for QBs.
    Originally posted by dgobronco View Post
    I sense a bit of envy...
    Think I said that.....

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  • dgobronco
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    Originally posted by CanDB View Post
    As long as Mahomes does not get that tag, I envy KC fans. Nothing better than having a young, franchise QB (already All Pro!). So exciting to watch, and with so many years ahead. And for the organization....nothing like looking for FAs and draft picks, and not having to look too much for QBs.
    I sense a bit of envy...

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  • CanDB
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    As long as Mahomes does not get that tag, I envy KC fans. Nothing better than having a young, franchise QB (already All Pro!). So exciting to watch, and with so many years ahead. And for the organization....nothing like looking for FAs and draft picks, and not having to look too much for QBs.

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  • Chop_Block
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    It would be pretty nice if we had people talking about our franchise QB being overrated

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  • Mel B.
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    Originally posted by broncolee View Post
    I’m not a Josh Rosen fan but send the tenth pick to the Cardinals for him and let them draft Murray.

    Rosen isn't worth us giving up our #10 1st Round pick for.

    Unless teams jump us, I'd rather stand pat at 10 and grab the best QB available when it's our turn to pick and use the rest of our picks on areas of need rather than trading any of our picks away to move up or to grab someone else's trash.
    Last edited by Mel B.; 01-10-2019, 08:40 AM.

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  • broncolee
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    I’m not a Josh Rosen fan but send the tenth pick to the Cardinals for him and let them draft Murray.

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  • Chop_Block
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    Originally posted by DavisMVP View Post
    That is the key, we can bring in who ever we want, but without a o-line, it won't matter.
    The O Line can be decent with proper coaching and better QB play. No, the talent we've drafted isn't too good, but they are serviceable with the right coaching and QB.

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  • Chop_Block
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    Originally posted by -Rod- View Post
    I don't understand how Ryan Tannehill, with 123 TD, 75 INT [1.64 ratio] and 87.0 passer rating, is considered overrated, described as "do I even need to explain this one?", yet the proposed solution is to get Teddy Bridgewater, with 29 TD, 23 INT [1.26 ratio] and 85.9 passer rating. I think Bridgewater is very similar to Case Keenum, a QB with a weak arm and underwhelming production.

    Instead of going after this type of QB again, I'd rather keep the one we already have and then find a proper QB talent in the draft. The jump from Trevor Siemian to Case Keenum was minimal, if there was one at all, and I see Bridgewater basically in the same category. We need to make a considerable jump in QB production, we need to find a true franchise QB and I think this is done through the draft.
    You are sooooo right on Tannehill vs Bridgewater. Tannehill has a much higher ceiling and current production. I'm not saying he's a top 10 QB but he's much closer to it than Teddy.

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  • Papa-pwn
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    Originally posted by UnitedInOrange View Post
    Why are we looking for "bridge" QBs? Especially mediocre guys like Teddy Bridgewater. We have one. His name is Case Keenum. He's paid for. His contract ends right as the better QB classes enter the draft.

    Don't know why we'd want just a slightly better (which Bridgewater isn't) QB when we're still far from the playoffs in our own division and a slight performance improvement probably hurts us more in the long term. Either go big on a good (non-bridge) QB or stock draft capital.
    Better QB class? 2020? Looks pretty weak to be honest, especially if Tua doesn't declare. Then you have Fromm, a top 15 guy and Eason, a late 1st rounder.

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  • BroncoFanDK
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    Originally posted by VonElway758 View Post
    I get what you’re saying,but Teddy isn’t in a position to demand $18mil in FA and I always wondered why Zimmer had no qualms about going public with his thoughts on how TB would be starting if fit even when Case was getting the job done.
    I understand everyone who thinks I’m wrong about TB over Case.It’s just a personal opinion and he’s a guy i’d have had no problem with starting under centre for us since the problem began.
    Just a personal preference and I totally get the other side of the argument and as others have stated,the problem with getting him is offloading Keenum.
    But i’d rather go with Teddy for 8 or 9 mil than Case at 18.It’s just my own take on it.
    First off we have 10 mill on Keenum even if he does not play here, so there is no real financial argument.

    While I believe that the job of the QB is to win and TB did well on that account in 2016, but in every measurable category Keenum did better in 2017. Higher win percentage, success in the playoffs, completed more passes, higher scoring percentage, fewer turnovers......

    Obviously the Vikings teams were really good, but there is no indication that the ceiling of Bridgewater is higher than Keenum. Case has some traits where Joe Flacco can stretch the field a whole lot more, but there is little that seem enticing about Teddy Bridgewater, that I see indicate future success.

    The interesting question is really what made Keenum so successful in 2017 and why was he sub par in 2018. It is not his skills that have diminished and until we can get someone with both mentality and skills to be better, we have to figure out how to win our division with the likes of Keenum.
    Last edited by BroncoFanDK; 01-10-2019, 04:15 AM.

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  • FL BRONCO
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    Originally posted by gtown53 View Post
    Mahommes? Mahommes threw for over 5000 yards, 50 TDs, and had a QB Rating of 114. There are no talents anywhere in College Football, or in the Pros for that matter, that we will get our hands on that compare to Mahommes. So, we don't need to worry, because the Broncos aren't going to Draft a talent like Mahommes. Probably, ............ ever. And to the people expressing the delusional pipe-dreams (not you, as I respect your Posts and opinions), Philly isn't trading Wentz to us, and Cleveland isn't trading Mayfield to us.So, we don't have to worry about the Broncos Drafting a great QB, like Mahommes, who will then be relegated to the bench because Kubiak "won't play a young QB", or "can't adapt" to coaching a young QB.

    Did Kubiak fail to "adapt" to the likes of Paxton Lynch? Judging by the fact that Lynch is out of football, I would be hard-pressed to create a scenario where his poor play had anything to do with Kubiak's adaptability.

    If we cut Keenum, he counts as $10 million against the Cap, either before or after June 1. If we trade Keenum, we take a $3 million dollar hit. So, we are likely stuck with him.

    The Broncos only shot at an upgrade is if we trade Keenum, and convince a "Foles" or a "Flacco" to come to Denver. JMHO.
    Who is gonna trade for Keemun and his contract at this point?

    I don’t see it happening.

    The $ 10 million is gone already so imo the real questions are is he worth the $11 million to keep and if not wat to do.

    IMHO, he isn’t worth it, Keep it and spend it towards someone who might be here in 2 years Pick up a different Fa qb and look to the draft.

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  • DavisMVP
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    That is the key, we can bring in who ever we want, but without a o-line, it won't matter.

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  • VonElway758
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    Originally posted by UnitedInOrange View Post
    Why are we looking for "bridge" QBs? Especially mediocre guys like Teddy Bridgewater. We have one. His name is Case Keenum. He's paid for. His contract ends right as the better QB classes enter the draft.

    Don't know why we'd want just a slightly better (which Bridgewater isn't) QB when we're still far from the playoffs in our own division and a slight performance improvement probably hurts us more in the long term. Either go big on a good (non-bridge) QB or stock draft capital.
    I get what you’re saying,but Teddy isn’t in a position to demand $18mil in FA and I always wondered why Zimmer had no qualms about going public with his thoughts on how TB would be starting if fit even when Case was getting the job done.
    I understand everyone who thinks I’m wrong about TB over Case.It’s just a personal opinion and he’s a guy i’d have had no problem with starting under centre for us since the problem began.
    Just a personal preference and I totally get the other side of the argument and as others have stated,the problem with getting him is offloading Keenum.
    But i’d rather go with Teddy for 8 or 9 mil than Case at 18.It’s just my own take on it.

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