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  • L.M.
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    Originally posted by Chop_Block View Post
    So, you both believe the coaches don't really coach/teach? The GM gives them players and they are instantly a team capable of winning?
    Keep thinking like that and you'll have Vance Joseph as your head coach forever, because, in your mind, it doesn't matter who coaches those players you bring in.
    Sorry, I don't agree.
    Your word was "build", and for most people that means assembling the pieces which is what GMs do.

    The GM, coaches, and players all share some responsibility for success (or lack thereof) but it isn't always an even split in the cases of standout talent. A really great coach may be able to take some scrubs and turn them into something special, ala Bill Parcells fixing up perennially bad teams and making them competitive again like the P*ts and the Jets, or a player like (pre-decline) Peyton Manning whose abundant abilities and skills could account for more than half of a season's wins. Such men deserve the lionshare of credit for victory.
    Last edited by L.M.; 01-16-2019, 09:01 AM.

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  • DavisMVP
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    It's one thing to give a coach players that he can win with and another thing to keep giving the coaches the same product over and over again for 3 years and it not work with two different coaches.

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  • Freyaka
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    Originally posted by samparnell View Post
    I feel capable of expressing myself without you putting words in my mouth.
    You sure? I don't know how articulate you are, you might need some assistance

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  • samparnell
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    Originally posted by Chop_Block View Post
    So, you both believe the coaches don't really coach/teach? The GM gives them players and they are instantly a team capable of winning?
    Keep thinking like that and you'll have Vance Joseph as your head coach forever, because, in your mind, it doesn't matter who coaches those players you bring in.
    Sorry, I don't agree.
    I feel capable of expressing myself without you putting words in my mouth.

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  • broncolee
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    Originally posted by DavisMVP View Post
    He no longer wanted to work for our classes GM. I use to be a huge fan of John Elway, but now i'm starting to see how he really is.
    I don’t think classless is the way to describe him.

    If this was about Kubiak wanting Dennison over Munchak, then good riddance to Gary. How do you not want the better coach on your staff?

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  • DavisMVP
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    He no longer wanted to work for our classes GM. I use to be a huge fan of John Elway, but now i'm starting to see how he really is.

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  • broncolee
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    Originally posted by Chop_Block View Post
    So, you both believe the coaches don't really coach/teach? The GM gives them players and they are instantly a team capable of winning?
    Keep thinking like that and you'll have Vance Joseph as your head coach forever, because, in your mind, it doesn't matter who coaches those players you bring in.
    Sorry, I don't agree.
    Have to agree with this sentiment.

    When it’s a coach people like, the give him credit.

    When it’s someone they don’t like, he gets zero credit.

    Either the coach matters or he doesn’t.

    If he does, you fire VJ and hire Vic Fangio.

    If he doesn’t matter, why is Mike Shanahan not still the coach for life in Denver?

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  • Chop_Block
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    Originally posted by samparnell View Post
    My take, too.
    So, you both believe the coaches don't really coach/teach? The GM gives them players and they are instantly a team capable of winning?
    Keep thinking like that and you'll have Vance Joseph as your head coach forever, because, in your mind, it doesn't matter who coaches those players you bring in.
    Sorry, I don't agree.

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  • Chop_Block
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    Originally posted by Al Wilson 4 Mayor View Post
    Built the team? Elway built that roster not Fox.
    So, the head coach is not instrumental in forming a team.
    I can't believe I'm going to tout Fox, but this Kubiak love fest is ridiculous.
    John Fox was brought in after the McD disaster. He inherited a team in disarray that was LAST in the division. The very first year, he WON the division and even a playoff game, with Tim Tebow as his QB. Then the Manning years where the team won the division EVERY year. Then the loss to the Colts in the playoffs and Elway was moving on.
    And, it seemed to work as the first year, still with Manning, we won the SB. We had a very good defense and Wade did a fine job of it, but Fox was certainly part of building that team.
    The next year, Kubiak didn't win the division and dropped to 3rd in the division.
    I'm trying hard to not just rag on the guy, he did a fine job, but I think most would feel Fox contributed more to the Broncos. He inherited a mess and won and built (provided leadership to the coaches if you insist) a great team. Kubiak inherited a pretty good team. The team he inherited had won the AFC West 4 years in a row and had a HOF QB in Manning and some real talent on defense. Kubiak brought with him Wade Phillips, and that proved to be a really good move.
    Kubiak won the SB in his first year. But the next year the team dropped and no sign of developing anything on offense.
    I'm sure most here will stick with the friend of Elway as the guy they prefer, but if I had to choose between having Kubiak or Fox as head coach, I'd take Fox every time.
    Now, in the real world I wouldn't pick either one as there are many choices which I think would be better.
    I'm just glad we are moving on with a new staff.

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  • samparnell
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    Originally posted by Al Wilson 4 Mayor View Post
    Built the team? Elway built that roster not Fox.
    My take, too.

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  • Al Wilson 4 Mayor
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    Built the team? Elway built that roster not Fox.

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  • Chop_Block
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    Originally posted by Socnorb11 View Post
    I'm not sure, but I think you missed his point.

    We're not saying that Kubiak should be the OC, or even be part of the organization. We're saying that dismissing his accomplishments seems wrong and unnecessary.
    Just take a look at what John Fox did for the Broncos and what Gary Kubiak did for the Broncos - and please don't go back to the Shannahan years.
    John Fox and his staff built a team and got to the SB with a record setting offense. No, we didn't win, but there was no doubt about him being the head coach and shaping those teams. Gary Kubiak came in and in the first year went to and won the SB. I'm not saying he doesn't deserve credit for navigating the waters of a season and winning it all, and maybe his best accomplishment was he brought along Wade for those years. But, Kubiak came into a team already built with a HOF QB and some true defensive stars.
    When I look at both head coaches and their contributions to the Broncos, I give the nod to John Fox as contributing more. BTW, I was in favor of us letting him go as he was not going to get us over the hump of losing Manning. And, Kubiak didn't get us over the hump of losing Manning either.

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  • Sam_Z
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    Originally posted by Butler By'Note View Post
    They've never won a Super Bowl without Rick Dennison and Brian Pariani either. But that doesn't mean Denver should have welcomed them back with open arms.
    Great point! :thumb:

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  • RobertR
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    Originally posted by MHS View Post
    I don’t think it’s a dismissal and I think the majority would be cool with Kubiak as OC if he was flexible on his assistants... not much excitement about bringing back average to below average assistants when guys like Munchak wanted to be here.
    Kubiak was next to useless that season
    You don't think that statement was a dismissal? Really?

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  • Butler By'Note
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    Originally posted by BeavisBronco View Post
    I just want to point out the fact that the Broncos have NEVER won a Super Bowl without Kubiak.

    While I'm glad we won't see the bland play calling and coaching we saw from Rick Dennison during Kubiak's tenure as HC (and to think Elway actually interviewed Dennison for HC at one point), I do believe Kubes added some value in terms of player scouting and other areas. This is a mixed bag for me. Hate to see him go, but at the same time glad we didn't retread old tires on the offense again.
    They've never won a Super Bowl without Rick Dennison and Brian Pariani either. But that doesn't mean Denver should have welcomed them back with open arms.

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