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  • Bronco51
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    Originally posted by Rastic View Post
    They weren't in a position to do so because McVay was completely out of his league and could not make the necessary adjustments. He even admitted he was out-coached.
    Exactly. You have two weeks to prepare. You have to know Belichick is going to look at what you have done previously and scheme it accordingly. If you can’t come up with a plan to get your MVP more involved as a so called offensive guru, I don’t know what to say.

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  • Rastic
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    Originally posted by broncos SB2010 View Post
    That's the main reason why Gurley had so few carries. It's hard to get a RB carries/yards when you can't sustain drives. They very well might have wanted to get him more carries but weren't in a position to do so.
    They weren't in a position to do so because McVay was completely out of his league and could not make the necessary adjustments. He even admitted he was out-coached.

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  • Chop_Block
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    Originally posted by broncos SB2010 View Post
    That's the main reason why Gurley had so few carries. It's hard to get a RB carries/yards when you can't sustain drives. They very well might have wanted to get him more carries but weren't in a position to do so.
    Absolutely, and the reason they couldn't sustain any drives was the brilliance of that defense. I always had respect for a few of the Pats defenders, but after watching that game and the Championship game against the Chiefs it's no wonder that Pats defensive coach got a head coaching job. The way he used linebackers and DLinemen interchangeably and how they confused the Rams blockers was terrific. And, as Romo kept pointing out the way they rushed lanes upfield totally ruined the Rams cutback runs.
    Fangio has some of that same reputation and I hope we see it in action next season.

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  • broncos SB2010
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    Originally posted by Bronco51 View Post
    Goff was ineffective from the start and it was obvious early on he was blinded by the pressure. Use your MVP more. And 20% of the plays is misleading when your longest drive thru three quarters is 5 plays. They had more punts then he had touches until midway thru the last quarter.
    That's the main reason why Gurley had so few carries. It's hard to get a RB carries/yards when you can't sustain drives. They very well might have wanted to get him more carries but weren't in a position to do so.

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  • Bronco51
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    Originally posted by broncos SB2010 View Post
    Totally disagree. I have no idea why some people keep harping on that. He had about 20% of their plays which isn't much less than many other games this season. The truth is, he was ineffective and that wouldn't have changed if he had another 10 carries. It wasn't the number of plays...they had to change the type of play they were running.
    Goff was ineffective from the start and it was obvious early on he was blinded by the pressure. Use your MVP more. And 20% of the plays is misleading when your longest drive thru three quarters is 5 plays. They had more punts then he had touches until midway thru the last quarter.

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  • Saddletramp
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    Originally posted by Chop_Block View Post
    No calls on the DBacks was the order of the day. Virtually every pass that had a close defender there was some form of interference. They definitely let them play. Peters is very good at "gloving" the receiver - meaning he grabs inside his body and runs with the receiver while his hand is holding the receiver. Some games they let him get away with it, and that's what they did this game
    and there is in almost every play so.... Unless there is an official for every receiver they aren't going to get called.....

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  • Chop_Block
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    Originally posted by Rich_C View Post
    I do not believe you read the comments you responded to. The comments were to run the ball differently then what they did nearly all game. IN fact the one run play I remember which went outside CJ ended up with decent yardage. A few more runs like that or if CJ breaks one of his signature runs again BB then all of a sudden the Pats would be forced to adapt and move away from their initial game-plan. McVay simply didn't have a plan B or he just failed to go to it.

    Lastly I was very disappointed in the no call in the end-zone on Cooks. His backstop arm was CLEARLY held. Yes I know we don't want ticky tack calls to be made all SB but the refs then proceeded to negate a 1st down by the Rams by calling "holding"....
    No calls on the DBacks was the order of the day. Virtually every pass that had a close defender there was some form of interference. They definitely let them play. Peters is very good at "gloving" the receiver - meaning he grabs inside his body and runs with the receiver while his hand is holding the receiver. Some games they let him get away with it, and that's what they did this game

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  • broncos SB2010
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    Originally posted by Bronco51 View Post
    The only meaningful holding call was McVay holding Gurley out of the playbook. Now THAT was egregious.
    Totally disagree. I have no idea why some people keep harping on that. He had about 20% of their plays which isn't much less than many other games this season. The truth is, he was ineffective and that wouldn't have changed if he had another 10 carries. It wasn't the number of plays...they had to change the type of play they were running.

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  • Bronco51
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    Originally posted by Butler By'Note View Post
    Maybe it's just me, but when a team scores 3 points and puts up 260 total yards, after being a dominating offense all year, I find it hard to believe one holding call was the difference in things clicking for them. 421.1 yards per game, 32.1 points per game to 3 points and 260 yards, that's not one holding call that was the issue.
    The only meaningful holding call was McVay holding Gurley out of the playbook. Now THAT was egregious.

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  • Butler By'Note
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    Originally posted by MDN1959 View Post
    Wouldn't have been a much better game had the the ref's not called that fluky holding penalty on the Rams' center when Gurley had that momentum raising 16 yard run in the 3rd Qtr was it, thus squelching any chance of a more competitive game. The Rams were fixin' to whip the Patriots into shape (though the Pat's seemed hopped up) on that drive thwarted by a questionable call?
    Maybe it's just me, but when a team scores 3 points and puts up 260 total yards, after being a dominating offense all year, I find it hard to believe one holding call was the difference in things clicking for them. 421.1 yards per game, 32.1 points per game to 3 points and 260 yards, that's not one holding call that was the issue.

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  • Rich_C
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    Originally posted by Chop_Block View Post
    If McVay had tried to pound the ball all game he would have failed to score even the 3 points. I'm not saying he shouldn't have run the ball, just that it was ineffective. Those Pats LBs are just too good at disrupting those running plays. Even Romo showed all game long how you defeat the Rams running game because it's all about cutting back against a zone push. Play 2 high safeties and you could care less if they get a 7 yard gain because the next run is likely to be for loss. Even when the Rams OLine was getting their butt handed to them, the passing game worked to an extent. Goff was not the best against the rush but he and Cooks had decent, albeit, underwhelming game.
    That said, I am fine with Fangio provided he does bring in some innovation on offense. If he attempts a ground and pound offense we are definitely doomed to a losing season
    I do not believe you read the comments you responded to. The comments were to run the ball differently then what they did nearly all game. IN fact the one run play I remember which went outside CJ ended up with decent yardage. A few more runs like that or if CJ breaks one of his signature runs again BB then all of a sudden the Pats would be forced to adapt and move away from their initial game-plan. McVay simply didn't have a plan B or he just failed to go to it.

    Lastly I was very disappointed in the no call in the end-zone on Cooks. His backstop arm was CLEARLY held. Yes I know we don't want ticky tack calls to be made all SB but the refs then proceeded to negate a 1st down by the Rams by calling "holding"....

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  • chad72
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    Originally posted by Chop_Block View Post
    If McVay had tried to pound the ball all game he would have failed to score even the 3 points. I'm not saying he shouldn't have run the ball, just that it was ineffective. Those Pats LBs are just too good at disrupting those running plays. Even Romo showed all game long how you defeat the Rams running game because it's all about cutting back against a zone push. Play 2 high safeties and you could care less if they get a 7 yard gain because the next run is likely to be for loss. Even when the Rams OLine was getting their butt handed to them, the passing game worked to an extent. Goff was not the best against the rush but he and Cooks had decent, albeit, underwhelming game.
    That said, I am fine with Fangio provided he does bring in some innovation on offense. If he attempts a ground and pound offense we are definitely doomed to a losing season
    They do not have good TEs they could use effectively. I think they should have trotted out 2 TEs constantly than 3 WRs. Belichick found out his offense wasn't working with 1 TE and 1 FB, so he went big and forced the Rams to go big the second half. Gerald Everett had 20 lbs on Josh Reynolds. Put him out there, and force the Patriots to bring an additional safety to the box by staying balanced with the pass and run. They needed to put 2 RBs vs the Patriots because the Patriots' LBs weaknesses have been pass coverage vs RBs. That is what the Eagles did with Corey Clement to get lots of chunk yardage last SB.

    Once they lost Cooper Kupp, their 3 WR formation effectiveness went down. Wade Philips called a very very good game to limit the Patriots, IMO, but the Rams' offense eventually reduced the efficiency of their defense with not staying on the field.

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  • Spice 1
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    Originally posted by Chop_Block View Post
    If McVay had tried to pound the ball all game he would have failed to score even the 3 points. I'm not saying he shouldn't have run the ball, just that it was ineffective. Those Pats LBs are just too good at disrupting those running plays. Even Romo showed all game long how you defeat the Rams running game because it's all about cutting back against a zone push. Play 2 high safeties and you could care less if they get a 7 yard gain because the next run is likely to be for loss. Even when the Rams OLine was getting their butt handed to them, the passing game worked to an extent. Goff was not the best against the rush but he and Cooks had decent, albeit, underwhelming game.
    That said, I am fine with Fangio provided he does bring in some innovation on offense. If he attempts a ground and pound offense we are definitely doomed to a losing season
    Ball control offense compliments defensive football in time of possession. Also, if you don't commit to running the football, the other team won't commit to stopping it. 3rd and 2, and the Patriots are playing coverage.

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  • Chop_Block
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    Just to pile on with the need for a franchise QB...
    They kept showing a graphic of the teams who have won the most SBs:
    Steelers (Bradshaw and Big Ben)
    49ers (Montana and Young)
    Broncos (Elway and Manning)
    Cowboys (Staubach and Aikman)

    Any doubt about the significance to having that star QB?

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  • Chop_Block
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    Originally posted by MDN1959 View Post
    Yeah but, didn't the Patriots ground and pound one to a TD - the only one of the game, and the Rams were out sized and a step behind - did the Rams not eat right, sleep right, condition right, or otherwise get juiced up right?
    Oh, contrar. The Patriots scoring drive was the result of 4 straight passes to get them to the 2 yard line where they ran the ball in. Without the 29 yarder to Gronk I don't know that they score, although by this point in the game Donald and company were out of gas.
    That was evident on the next Pats drive where they pounded the ball against the Rams, and not saying there weren't good play calls, but, the Rams were sucking fumes by this point.

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