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  • I agree that Flacco will be fine if the surrounding parts do what they’re supposed to do....

    The problem is... with our talent... that’s probably not enough (or should I say asking too much).

    OL can’t pass protect. We lack prolific weapons... meh scheming...

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    • Originally posted by fraguela09 View Post
      I agree that Flacco will be fine if the surrounding parts do what they’re supposed to do....

      The problem is... with our talent... that’s probably not enough (or should I say asking too much).

      OL can’t pass protect. We lack prolific weapons... meh scheming...
      We were averaging 157 rushing yards at this point last year. We're at 93 this year if you round up. Keenum had more picks than touchdowns.
      Last edited by Spice 1; 09-15-2019, 10:51 PM.

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      • Originally posted by gtown53 View Post
        Same here. He was more than solid today. He did his job. It was Bolles and Leary who were the problem.In fact Stink was pointing out how he was getting the ball out in two seconds. Keenum would have had at least 6 sacks.today. We are a much better team with Flacco playing. The sad fact is that there simply isn't very much talent on this team. Could anyone ever imagine that our Defense would have taken a step back from last season?
        Agreed. I don’t think Flacco is a long term answer however, he’s shown he can make the plays. He had the INT however that play didn’t look like he and Sanders were on the same page - I could be wrong but something didn’t look right with the spot for Sanders. Even if that INT was all on Flacco, he made a lot of plays in the game. I think Bolles/Leary had 6 holding penalties.

        On the other side, Wolfe had two holding calls if I recall correctly. There was another killer holding call to give the Bears a new set of downs on the goal line (Parks?).

        It’s almost impossible to overcome that many penalties. I believe a lot of those came from not being talented enough.

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        • What I saw was an offense that has good RBs, good WRs, average TEs, a good QB, and a horrible offensive line. How many times did Flacco get hit as he was releasing the ball? 5?

          Yes, the throw of the INT was high, but the defender was on the exact opposite side of the receiver (I'm drawing a blank on who it was), and very close. How could the defender catch the ball if the receiver didn't have a shot at it? It was not one of Flacco's best throws, but I don't think it should have been intercepted. The receiver didn't even make an attempt to get to the ball.

          I still think this offense has the ability to win games. Despite all the penalties and the INT, they should have had the winning TD with 31 seconds left against a tough Bears defense. They may not be a playoff team, but there's some life there. I'm not writing them off yet.

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          • Originally posted by gtown53 View Post
            Same here. He was more than solid today. He did his job. It was Bolles and Leary who were the problem.In fact Stink was pointing out how he was getting the ball out in two seconds. Keenum would have had at least 6 sacks.today. We are a much better team with Flacco playing. The sad fact is that there simply isn't very much talent on this team. Could anyone ever imagine that our Defense would have taken a step back from last season?
            And yet a majority of the surrounding cast is the same as what Keenum had a year ago and the stats the past three years do not support your argument.

            Are we now saying Elway made a coaching staff mistake and we have in fact downgraded our coaching staff?

            Flacco may not be turning the ball over the way Keenum was but in my opinion that’s because he is captain check down almost as bad as Brock was. He doesn’t take risks and push the ball downfield. Making it easier for defenses to stop.

            Flacco started the game 12-13 but had less than 100 yards passing, 3 points on the board and a horrid third down conversion rate. Yes a good chunk of that is to blame on the oline. But most of that oline is the same as last years. Fact of the matter is Flacco doesn’t scare any defense. And it’s showing in the lack of production.
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            • Originally posted by DenverBlood View Post



              Fact of the matter is Flacco doesn’t scare any defense. And it’s showing in the lack of production.
              Absolutely. It shows in the way defenses are playing us. They have no respect for the passing game

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              • Originally posted by Papa-pwn View Post
                Absolutely. It shows in the way defenses are playing us. They have no respect for the passing game
                Give it up. Flacco looks a hell of a lot better than you hoped for. He is clearly the best QB we've had since Manning and it's not close. Joe Flacco is the least of the Broncos problems.

                The run game is non existent and we have zero sacks. That should be the worry.
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                • I dont know what else you guys expect. I'm not huge on Flacco but he made plays with the game on the line and put us in a position to win the game , both games a matter of fact . Our D crapped the bed and allowed a 4th and 15 . If they force a quick dump off game over .

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                  • I feel like I’m watching a different game that a lot of you. Because I think Flacco is not even close to being the problem with our offense. I don’t know how we aren’t blaming the insane amount of holding calls that is literally killing drives or their inability to run the ball early. Our OC offense is based on being able to run the ball effectively to open the pass. Our OC deserves a lot of the blaming for the game plan. But mostly, Bolles and Leary need to be blamed for their penalties.

                    Flacco one int was 100% his fault but redeemed himself on the following drive.

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                    • Originally posted by JW7 View Post
                      Give it up. Flacco looks a hell of a lot better than you hoped for. He is clearly the best QB we've had since Manning and it's not close. Joe Flacco is the least of the Broncos problems.

                      The run game is non existent and we have zero sacks. That should be the worry.
                      Flacco is supposed to be a game manager, but the running game is not elite so hes forced to throw and throw and throw. This is not the offense for that, and we dont have the line for that either.

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                      • I would like to see us specifically target Cortland Sutton more often. This was not on Flacco at all this week. He hung in constantly delivered a lot of catch-able balls and did his best to not take bad sacks. Our o-line shot us in the foot a lot. Sad thing is the Bears have a phenomenal pass rush and several of the penalties had nothing to do with pass rushing. I don't think you can expect Noah Fant to one on one block Mack. You can expect our o-line not to hold on running plays though, especially when they are not even close to the play, Bolles.

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                        • Flacco wouldn’t have thrown an INT if we just kept pounding Freeman. He wore down the defense and got us down there, give the man what he deserves

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                          • Originally posted by WYBRONCO View Post
                            I would like to see us specifically target Cortland Sutton more often. This was not on Flacco at all this week. He hung in constantly delivered a lot of catch-able balls and did his best to not take bad sacks. Our o-line shot us in the foot a lot. Sad thing is the Bears have a phenomenal pass rush and several of the penalties had nothing to do with pass rushing. I don't think you can expect Noah Fant to one on one block Mack. You can expect our o-line not to hold on running plays though, especially when they are not even close to the play, Bolles.
                            Well the Fant on Mack situation was on Flacco. He audibled to that, and he paid the price for it.
                            What's the difference between ignorance and apathy?
                            I don't know and I don't care

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                            • Originally posted by beastlyskronk View Post
                              Flacco wouldn’t have thrown an INT if we just kept pounding Freeman. He wore down the defense and got us down there, give the man what he deserves
                              I agree with this here. Their D was gassed those last few possessions. Pound it with Freeman, or heck have Joe keep it, and fall forward. If we are intent on passing, take advantage of our size. Give Sutton a jump ball. Scheme it so Fant gets matched up with a slot CB.
                              What's the difference between ignorance and apathy?
                              I don't know and I don't care

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                              • Originally posted by the0rangecrush View Post
                                Well the Fant on Mack situation was on Flacco. He audibled to that, and he paid the price for it.
                                There were a few times yesterday that I said, "c'mon man" to Flacco. How about the delay of game penalty he took on the 2pt conversion? The INT?

                                Yea he had some good moments, but was not great by any stretch of the imagination. Denver fans know what great QB play looks like, this is not it. This is average QB territory all the way.

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