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  • Originally posted by L.M. View Post
    It's a team sport with many working parts.

    Flacco has lived up to his end --so far.

    Most expected him to be just a stopgap and to play well enough while we develop a young, drafted QB.

    Most expected the defense to be better under Fangio, and for them to carry the load. They haven't yet.

    Most expected the O-Line to be better under Munchak --it isn't yet. Those should be the subverted expectations, not Flacco. There shouldn't have been any (unrealistic) expectations that he can carry the team, like an elite QB.

    It takes time with new coaches, but we also need the right personnel. Games are won and lost in the trenches and we still need better players on the DL and OL. If the coaching pulls the team together, then even the mediocre players we have there could step it up, and there's still hope for that.
    Need to spread it - as always, you nailed it. :thumb:
    To infinity...and beyond.

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    • Originally posted by L.M. View Post
      It's a team sport with many working parts.

      Flacco has lived up to his end --so far.

      Most expected him to be just a stopgap and to play well enough while we develop a young, drafted QB.

      Most expected the defense to be better under Fangio, and for them to carry the load. They haven't yet.

      Most expected the O-Line to be better under Munchak --it isn't yet. Those should be the subverted expectations, not Flacco. There shouldn't have been any (unrealistic) expectations that he can carry the team, like an elite QB.

      It takes time with new coaches, but we also need the right personnel. Games are won and lost in the trenches and we still need better players on the DL and OL. If the coaching pulls the team together, then even the mediocre players we have there could step it up, and there's still hope for that.
      Jeez how dare you sir ?? Making all that sense with logic lol. Nice post.

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      • Highest % completion of his career.
        On pace for Most yards in career. (4480)
        2nd Highest QB Rte of his career.
        5th highest Avg Yards per catch through 2 games.


        Currently on pace to be sacked the 2nd most times in his career.
        Last edited by Joshua2585; 09-17-2019, 03:12 PM.

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        • Originally posted by Joshua2585 View Post
          Highest % completion of his career.
          On pace for Most yards in career. (4480)
          2nd Highest QB Rte of his career.
          5th highest Avg Yards per catch through 2 games.


          Currently on pace to be sacked the 2nd most times in his career.
          If we’re projecting stats based on two games, he’s on pace for 16 TD / 8 INT. Won’t win many games with that production.

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          • Right now, the offense is at a point where the overall chemistry isn’t there yet. That’s not a surprise. Basically, someone always screws up. Particularly, in the red zone. Week 1, it was Scangarello, Sanders constantly slipping and Hamilton dropping a TD. Week 2, it was Flacco and the offensive line.

            By the same token, you’ve seen moments in the red zone where each of those components held up. They just don’t all hold up at the same time. That’s the part that will take time.

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            • Flacco's completion % based on depth of throw

              Passes 5 yards down field or less, including passes behind LOS - 34/45 75.5%

              Passes beyond 5 yards downfield - 19/36 52.7%

              Defenses know this and as a result, the whole offense suffers. Teams know they don't have to worry about the passing game deep and can send their pass rushers without without pause. It also effects the run game, allowing defenses to stack the box.

              We see this problem become most prevalent in the red zone. With the short field, there is less ground for the defense to worry about. Teams can snuff the short stuff even easier and the intermediate throws become obscured further. Throws that were already difficult for Flacco become nearly impossible.

              With a red-zone passing completion percentage of 50%, Flacco is 27th in the league. As a result, Denver is one of the 5 worst scoring offenses so far and one of the 3 worst red zone offenses.

              People want to bury their head in the sand and insist Joe is not an issue. Some people even think he is playing well, amazingly. He absolutely is a massive issue. Now, he is far from the only problem, the team as a whole is pretty bad with holes everywhere. Flacco is still a very significant issue that people are largely brushing off. The fact remains, even with a good team you will be held back when you field a bottom 10 QB.

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              • Originally posted by Papa-pwn View Post
                Flacco's completion % based on depth of throw

                Passes 5 yards down field or less, including passes behind LOS - 34/45 75.5%

                Passes beyond 5 yards downfield - 19/36 52.7%

                Defenses know this and as a result, the whole offense suffers. Teams know they don't have to worry about the passing game deep and can send their pass rushers without without pause. It also effects the run game, allowing defenses to stack the box.

                We see this problem become most prevalent in the red zone. With the short field, there is less ground for the defense to worry about. Teams can snuff the short stuff even easier and the intermediate throws become obscured further. Throws that were already difficult for Flacco become nearly impossible.

                With a red-zone passing completion percentage of 50%, Flacco is 27th in the league. As a result, Denver is one of the 5 worst scoring offenses so far and one of the 3 worst red zone offenses.

                People want to bury their head in the sand and insist Joe is not an issue. Some people even think he is playing well, amazingly. He absolutely is a massive issue. Now, he is far from the only problem, the team as a whole is pretty bad with holes everywhere. Flacco is still a very significant issue that people are largely brushing off. The fact remains, even with a good team you will be held back when you field a bottom 10 QB.
                Who was the top 22 QB they were going to acquire in March?

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                • The real point in all of this is the fact that we have no other choice but to sign an aged FA QB every year. The QB situation has been a debacle. All of the FA QBs flame out in a year and none of the drafted QBs have worked out. I mean, we signed Sanchez out of pure desperation for heaven’s sake. People can blame whoever they want, but there’s one guy at the controls.

                  My goodness, we’re arguing about if Keenum is better than Flacco? Flacco is another band aid FA QB. He’s serviceable, but this team doesn’t have the starters or depth to support a serviceable QB. Oline being the most glaring problem with supporting a serviceable QB.
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                  • Originally posted by Papa-pwn View Post
                    Flacco's completion % based on depth of throw

                    Passes 5 yards down field or less, including passes behind LOS - 34/45 75.5%

                    Passes beyond 5 yards downfield - 19/36 52.7%

                    Defenses know this and as a result, the whole offense suffers. Teams know they don't have to worry about the passing game deep and can send their pass rushers without without pause. It also effects the run game, allowing defenses to stack the box.

                    We see this problem become most prevalent in the red zone. With the short field, there is less ground for the defense to worry about. Teams can snuff the short stuff even easier and the intermediate throws become obscured further. Throws that were already difficult for Flacco become nearly impossible.

                    With a red-zone passing completion percentage of 50%, Flacco is 27th in the league. As a result, Denver is one of the 5 worst scoring offenses so far and one of the 3 worst red zone offenses.

                    People want to bury their head in the sand and insist Joe is not an issue. Some people even think he is playing well, amazingly. He absolutely is a massive issue. Now, he is far from the only problem, the team as a whole is pretty bad with holes everywhere. Flacco is still a very significant issue that people are largely brushing off. The fact remains, even with a good team you will be held back when you field a bottom 10 QB.
                    Despite all that Flacco has still put the offense in position to put points on the board and Bolles/Leary have done their best to take us out of that position.

                    Yes Flacco is throwing it short and checking down very quickly but it hasn’t been a huge problem because the targets are getting YAC most of the time and the faster the ball gets out of his hands, the less time Bolles has to hold. A swing route thrown 1 yard past the LoS that results in a 6 yard gain is still 6 yards and forces the defense to defend the width of the field.

                    Flacco probably isn’t going to be the sole reason we win a game, I’ll admit that, but so far he hasn’t been the sole reason we’ve lost, he hasn’t even been our biggest issue in the losses.

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                    • Originally posted by RocketArm006 View Post
                      The real point in all of this is the fact that we have no other choice but to sign an aged FA QB every year. The QB situation has been a debacle. All of the FA QBs flame out in a year and none of the drafted QBs have worked out. I mean, we signed Sanchez out of pure desperation for heaven’s sake. People can blame whoever they want, but there’s one guy at the controls.

                      My goodness, we’re arguing about if Keenum is better than Flacco? Flacco is another band aid FA QB. He’s serviceable, but this team doesn’t have the starters or depth to support a serviceable QB. Oline being the most glaring problem with supporting a serviceable QB.
                      I disagree with having to sign an aging FA QB. We could have kept Siemian as our bridge, or even Lynch and just let those guys go out until we find a guy. But that would’ve result in a lot more backlash than what we have now because you can’t fool yourself into thinking you can compete with them even though we’d have more money to improve other areas of the team.

                      What we have now is the same as every team without a franchise QB. You absolutely have to hit on a QB in this league. Osweiler not resigning with us after the Super Bowl started all this. If he stays maybe he’s better off not having to learn a new scheme and having familiar faces or if he sucked it up like in Houston then we’re in position to get a franchise QB. Instead we have to hit the panic button because we only had a 7th round pick at QB on the roster and we weren’t picking high enough to get one so we end up with Lynch which set us back because you have to wait and see if he develops and obviously he didn’t so we ended up signing expensive bridge QBs to compete while he comes along but they aren’t good enough to take us to the postseason yet not bad enough to secure a high enough position to draft a franchise guy. Now we have to wait and see if Lock can develop but we have a ton of money invested into these bridge QBs that prevent us from building the rest of the team up.

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                      • Originally posted by beastlyskronk View Post
                        I disagree with having to sign an aging FA QB. We could have kept Siemian as our bridge, or even Lynch and just let those guys go out until we find a guy. But that would’ve result in a lot more backlash than what we have now because you can’t fool yourself into thinking you can compete with them even though we’d have more money to improve other areas of the team.

                        What we have now is the same as every team without a franchise QB. You absolutely have to hit on a QB in this league. Osweiler not resigning with us after the Super Bowl started all this. If he stays maybe he’s better off not having to learn a new scheme and having familiar faces or if he sucked it up like in Houston then we’re in position to get a franchise QB. Instead we have to hit the panic button because we only had a 7th round pick at QB on the roster and we weren’t picking high enough to get one so we end up with Lynch which set us back because you have to wait and see if he develops and obviously he didn’t so we ended up signing expensive bridge QBs to compete while he comes along but they aren’t good enough to take us to the postseason yet not bad enough to secure a high enough position to draft a franchise guy. Now we have to wait and see if Lock can develop but we have a ton of money invested into these bridge QBs that prevent us from building the rest of the team up.
                        Exactly. Even though I used the phrase “no choice but to sign a FA QB”, you pointed out that a GM doesn’t have to sign a FA BQ every year. Yet we have. At the same time, all of our drafted QBs didn’t work out. All we have left is the hope that Lock is the answer.

                        The QB situation has not been good. Couple that with a debacle at oline and we have what we have now. A new aged FA QB and a young QB we hope can be the answer. We shall see how it works out.

                        I would love it if it would all work out. I’m just getting tired of watching bad football.
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                        • Originally posted by The Excellector View Post
                          Right now, the offense is at a point where the overall chemistry isn’t there yet. That’s not a surprise. Basically, someone always screws up. Particularly, in the red zone. Week 1, it was Scangarello, Sanders constantly slipping and Hamilton dropping a TD. Week 2, it was Flacco and the offensive line.

                          By the same token, you’ve seen moments in the red zone where each of those components held up. They just don’t all hold up at the same time. That’s the part that will take time.
                          .Getting improvement every week, cant wait till week three.
                          Last edited by crabcruncher; 09-18-2019, 11:57 AM.

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                          • Originally posted by Papa-pwn View Post
                            Flacco's completion % based on depth of throw

                            Passes 5 yards down field or less, including passes behind LOS - 34/45 75.5%

                            Passes beyond 5 yards downfield - 19/36 52.7%

                            Defenses know this and as a result, the whole offense suffers. Teams know they don't have to worry about the passing game deep and can send their pass rushers without without pause. It also effects the run game, allowing defenses to stack the box.

                            We see this problem become most prevalent in the red zone. With the short field, there is less ground for the defense to worry about. Teams can snuff the short stuff even easier and the intermediate throws become obscured further. Throws that were already difficult .
                            for Flacco become nearly impossible.

                            With a red-zone passing completion percentage of 50%, Flacco is 27th in the league. As a result, Denver is one of the 5 worst scoring offenses so far and one of the 3 worst red zone offenses.

                            People want to bury their head in the sand and insist Joe is not an issue. Some people even think he is playing well, amazingly. He absolutely is a massive issue. Now, he is far from the only problem, the team as a whole is pretty bad with holes everywhere. Flacco is still a very significant issue that people are largely brushing off. The fact remains, even with a good team you will be held back when you field a bottom 10 QB.
                            Fact check
                            Flacco is 11th in the league in QBR
                            Flacco is 13th in the league in Passing yds
                            And this is with an offense that is a work in progress. Awesome.

                            Every post of yours is skewed to the left of reality. I know this wont sink in, its like players talking to Bolles.lol
                            Last edited by crabcruncher; 09-18-2019, 12:10 PM.

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                            • Originally posted by DenverBlood View Post
                              But that qb everyone keeps claiming he is such an upgrade over is performing at a higher level in Washington so far. Sure he’s 0-2 but that’s cuz his defense is allowing 30 points per game.

                              Everyone keeps claiming Flacco is doing ok. But we’ve scored 15 points per game with him. And are averaging what 3 points each game for the first three quarters?

                              Just because he isn’t turning the ball over doesn’t mean he is doing anything great either.
                              The constant defense of flacco is "he's got so many yards" great, where is the points, that's what win games.
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                              • Originally posted by Freyaka View Post
                                The constant defense of flacco is "he's got so many yards" great, where is the points, that's what win games.
                                They’re sitting with Bolles and Leary, Flacco just isn’t the QB to convert down and 20 distances. This team isn’t going to score 20 points a game with so many penalties and no turnovers and so few short drives by the defense.

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