Flacco

[RocketArm006]

I'll wait to see how the rest of this year plays out before making that judgement. There's more than half a season left. On Flacco's current statistical projection, I see him out of a job come January.

Even so it won’t be in favor of a rookie QB. I can see Elway bringing in another vet.

[Megalodon30]

Super. Flacco will be the starter going next year unless he brings in another vet QB. It’s obvious.

I'll wait to see how the rest of this year plays out before making that judgement. There's more than half a season left. On Flacco's current statistical projection, I see him out of a job come January.

[RocketArm006]

He also wanted to give Osweiler 15 mil a year and even ended bringing him back for a 2nd stint. Osweiler had chances in Denver and never seized them. He had chances elsewhere in the NFL and never showed he was anything more than mediocre. Same with all the other QBs we've had since Manning. The guys we've brought in have gotten starts, yet done nothing with them.

Siemien got enough chances in Denver that he ended up a backup elsewhere. Lynch was practically out of the league within three years and is also no more than a backup. Keenum is still starting but he's never been a high quality starter. Chad Kelly and Kyle Sloter looked decent in the preseasons they got here, but have yet to crack the practice squad.

As I said, say what you want about who Elway has brought in and how our coaches have handled them, but at least Elway is smart enough to know when the guys we have aren't performing at an NFL level. A lot of teams would have stuck with Lynch given that he was a 1st round pick, but we moved on once it was apparent he was not an NFL talent.

I don't think you need to see 30-40 starts from a QB to see that he can't hack it. The guys we've had have been plain bad. We've moved on from them. We should keep trying guys until we find the guy. But we should still be willing to move on from guys that clearly, evidently do not have starter level talent.

Super. Flacco will be the starter going next year unless he brings in another vet QB. It’s obvious.

[Megalodon30]

Haha. Yes, he picked Oz in the 2nd and Lynch in the 1st. Lynch never saw the field. Oz got a shot when Manning went down and ended up on another team. I don’t care that they pick guys. I care that they are consistently shown the bench behind bridge QBs. If Elway picks a guy in the top 5 (which I highly doubt), he will be shown the bench behind the vet QB who gives them “the best chance to win”.

To be clear, I want the same thing you want. I’t simply isn’t going to happen.

He also wanted to give Osweiler 15 mil a year and even ended bringing him back for a 2nd stint. Osweiler had chances in Denver and never seized them. He had chances elsewhere in the NFL and never showed he was anything more than mediocre. Same with all the other QBs we've had since Manning. The guys we've brought in have gotten starts, yet done nothing with them.

Siemien got enough chances in Denver that he ended up a backup elsewhere. Lynch was practically out of the league within three years and is also no more than a backup. Keenum is still starting but he's never been a high quality starter. Chad Kelly and Kyle Sloter looked decent in the preseasons they got here, but have yet to crack the practice squad.

As I said, say what you want about who Elway has brought in and how our coaches have handled them, but at least Elway is smart enough to know when the guys we have aren't performing at an NFL level. A lot of teams would have stuck with Lynch given that he was a 1st round pick, but we moved on once it was apparent he was not an NFL talent.

I don't think you need to see 30-40 starts from a QB to see that he can't hack it. The guys we've had have been plain bad. We've moved on from them. We should keep trying guys until we find the guy. But we should still be willing to move on from guys that clearly, evidently do not have starter level talent.

[RocketArm006]

Elway has spent 2nd round picks on Osweiler and Lock and used a first on Lynch. If there's a QB he likes, he'll take him. Also depends on us being in position to take him. If we like a guy that's supposed to go 1 overall we probably won't get him. Unless Elway really likes him. We have plenty of draft capital right now that we could certainly move up if there's a guy they really want.

Haha. Yes, he picked Oz in the 2nd and Lynch in the 1st. Lynch never saw the field. Oz got a shot when Manning went down and ended up on another team. I don’t care that they pick guys. I care that they are consistently shown the bench behind bridge QBs. If Elway picks a guy in the top 5 (which I highly doubt), he will be shown the bench behind the vet QB who gives them “the best chance to win”.

To be clear, I want the same thing you want. I’t simply isn’t going to happen.

[58Miller]

The fact that Elway isn't bringing lock off IR until week 14 tells me flacco won't be going anywhere.

Elway is going to stubbornly try and build the team around flacco next year too....

It tells me Lock isn’t ready. If based on what they have seen of Lock they believe Flacco is a better option, then Lock is not ready.

[Megalodon30]

That is my wish as well. Unfortunately, I think this FO has shown time and again that they will not draft a QB high. I also doubt they make a trade to move up and get one. Even if they end up with a top 5 pick, I have my doubts they will pick a QB. Even if they do pick a QB #1, I suspect they would keep him on the bench behind their vet QB. Flacco is their guy. I think it’s been made pretty clear.

Elway has spent 2nd round picks on Osweiler and Lock and used a first on Lynch. If there's a QB he likes, he'll take him. Also depends on us being in position to take him. If we like a guy that's supposed to go 1 overall we probably won't get him. Unless Elway really likes him. We have plenty of draft capital right now that we could certainly move up if there's a guy they really want.

[58Miller]

Obscene.

Flacco is on pace for 14 total TDs and 18 total turnovers. Compare to Keenum's 20:17 ratio last year.

John was quick to move on from Keenum, why dig his heels in on the huge mistake that is Flacco? It would save him a ton of face in the public eye if he could better admit his mistakes.

I still appreciate Elway, and think he is doing his best.
He took us from 4-12 to SB50 champs

Shannahan inherited Elway and then signed Plummer.
Griese and Cutler both didn’t work out.

He coached the team and drafted all the players, I consider him the best Bronco GM & Coach of all time and he couldn’t nail a qb in the draft in 14 years in charge.

[RocketArm006]

My worst nightmare is Elway trying to get Eli this off-season.

But I think we take a QB round 1 if Elway falls in love with one. I could see us starting a Tua or Herbert next year.

That is my wish as well. Unfortunately, I think this FO has shown time and again that they will not draft a QB high. I also doubt they make a trade to move up and get one. Even if they end up with a top 5 pick, I have my doubts they will pick a QB. Even if they do pick a QB #1, I suspect they would keep him on the bench behind their vet QB. Flacco is their guy. I think it’s been made pretty clear.

[Megalodon30]

The only way Flacco isn’t the starter next year is if they bring in another vet QB. Nobody on this current roster will be named the starter going into next year - barring injury.

My worst nightmare is Elway trying to get Eli this off-season.

But I think we take a QB round 1 if Elway falls in love with one. I could see us starting a Tua or Herbert next year.

[RocketArm006]

Say what you want about Elway's handling of the QB position, at least he moves on from the unproductive QBs quickly. All those guys he's missed on are long gone from Denver. If Flacco keeps playing the way he has, he'll find himself on the bench then on the unemployment line come the end of the season.

The only way Flacco isn’t the starter next year is if they bring in another vet QB. Nobody on this current roster will be named the starter going into next year - barring injury.

[Megalodon30]

I kinda think Flacco is gonna be the guy at QB for us for awhile.

Say what you want about Elway's handling of the QB position, at least he moves on from the unproductive QBs quickly. All those guys he's missed on are long gone from Denver. If Flacco keeps playing the way he has, he'll find himself on the bench then on the unemployment line come the end of the season.

[Capt. Jack]

I kinda think Flacco is gonna be the guy at QB for us for awhile.

[RocketArm006]

At the end of Klis article he says
"Understand, plans have a way of changing on a weekly basis in the NFL."
However, if we are being honest, I wouldn't want to start Lock until week 13 either. Things are in flux right now, and the next 2 weeks will determine the next course of action.

As for building around Flacco, it's not entirely a bad thing tbh. Let's say we decide to build up the OL. You need to do that for any QB, either Lock or Flacco.

Here's my issue with building around Flacco. Let's say they fix the o-line this offseason and the offense looks better next year - maybe better enough to go 8-8 or 9-7. In that case, they stick with Flacco because it gives them the "best chance to win", but it's only going to be a mediocre ball control offense because that's what you're building with an aged mediocre QB. So now we have an 8-8 team that's "trending up", right? Well now, you're really going to stick with the vet QB. By the time your young QB gets his shot, you're looking at maybe a season of assessment before his contract is up. Now you either have to pay up on your young, unproven QB or start the whole process over again.

It's a bad strategy because you keep the team in a mediocrity purgatory where you're constantly searching for your QB, but you can't find him because you hide him behind a vet QB.

For the record, I'm completely aware that the franchise QB approach is risky. I'm just really super duper bored with mediocre ball control offense because we have a mediocre vet QB at the helm. Give me a new, shiny QB that gets my blood pumping. At this point I don't care if I'm yelling at the TV cuz the young gun is making mistakes. It sure beats just kind of laughing at the TV because it's getting exhausting.

[the0rangecrush]

The fact that Elway isn't bringing lock off IR until week 14 tells me flacco won't be going anywhere.

Elway is going to stubbornly try and build the team around flacco next year too....

At the end of Klis article he says
"Understand, plans have a way of changing on a weekly basis in the NFL."
However, if we are being honest, I wouldn't want to start Lock until week 13 either. Things are in flux right now, and the next 2 weeks will determine the next course of action.

As for building around Flacco, it's not entirely a bad thing tbh. Let's say we decide to build up the OL. You need to do that for any QB, either Lock or Flacco.