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  • Originally posted by JW7 View Post
    Yes, he is in the middle of the pack. I don't care to have someone list off a bunch of stats. There is so much more to judging a QB. What offense is he in, what is asked of him, etc.

    There's a reason why he has won in this league. Maybe if you didn't spend your Sundays looking for what's wrong you'll start to discover what's right.
    He is 26-31 since his decline truly started in 2015. That's below average. His losing record in that span combined with his bottom-teir individual numbers means he is a below average QB by all standards.

    In every offense he's been in through that time frame, he has underperformed. We knew what we were getting, and that is one of the leagues worst starters.

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    • Originally posted by JW7 View Post
      Because he is an average QB who is also capable. He is not one of the worst QBs in the league. Tired of all the people who think he is awful and only focus on his bad plays while never acknowledging the good. How about his beautiful 40 yard pass to Sutton yesterday. Incredible throw.
      There is just no proof for this. Every metric says he's below average and watching him play will tell most people he's below average. He has looked just as bad(if not worse) as the backups we've been trotting out year after year now since manning. No one is focusing on the bad and not acknowledging the good, they are simply looking at the bigger picture, something the flacco support seem to be missing here. You list one play, cool, every QB in the league, EVERY one of them will make one good play. Tebow did too you know. Now I'm not comparing him to Tebow, just saying that a QB in the national football league, a PROFESSIONAL league, will make good plays every once in awhile, its about the consistency and timing and ability to read the field.

      It's weird, facts keep being presented, facts and logic based in reality, and it gets waved off as "but we won" "but we beat the titans!!". So what? This is a proud franchise and we're over here saying all is well because we beat the titans??? This QB play is good enough for us? Are we so resigned nowadays? Now we have people here saying the Chiefs are a bad defense so we'll probably score more than 20(lol) points?? wow we've fallen. Also, the past few years ive heard this a lot, a bad D coming to town, our O should finally be ok, and it actually does worse than against those "stout" Ds. We'll see though.

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      • Originally posted by Papa-pwn View Post
        He is 26-31 since his decline truly started in 2015. That's below average. His losing record in that span combined with his bottom-teir individual numbers means he is a below average QB by all standards.

        In every offense he's been in through that time frame, he has underperformed. We knew what we were getting, and that is one of the leagues worst starters.
        There is a reason he was readily replaced by a rookie QB

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        • Originally posted by JW7 View Post
          Yes, he is in the middle of the pack. I don't care to have someone list off a bunch of stats. There is so much more to judging a QB. What offense is he in, what is asked of him, etc.

          There's a reason why he has won in this league. Maybe if you didn't spend your Sundays looking for what's wrong you'll start to discover what's right.
          You say there’s more to a QB than stats. Fine, what are these intangibles that I’m missing that allow him to transcend his sub-par stats and metrics?

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          • Originally posted by Amy-Selic View Post
            There is a reason he was readily replaced by a rookie QB
            Injury has a strange way of doing that.....

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            • Originally posted by Fantaztic7 View Post
              Injury has a strange way of doing that.....
              Note that he didnt take his spot back and the improvement of the ravens offense, a better QB has a strange way of doing that

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              • Really not interested in arguing this. I have my opinion that he is average and you all have your opinion that he is one of the worst starters in the league. No amount of going back in forth on here will change either of our opinions.

                I'm just glad that the team is on a two game winning streak with a chance to get back into the playoff conversation on Thursday.
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                • I hope Lock wins the starting QB job, I just want him and the new system ready, when he is ready.
                  I don't want to throw him in, and get him pillaged immediately.
                  Let Flacco take some lumps first.

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                  • Originally posted by Fantaztic7 View Post
                    I don’t believe many people are saying the line is a bigger issue. Depending on the play the line provided good, neutral or poor pass protection (which breaks down to individual players). On some plays Flacco had good protection and didn’t make a good throw. For example the 3rd down pass to Sutton was behind him, incomplete despite having decent protection. On the sideline streak route to Sutton, Flacco made a very good throw.

                    The issue with your narrative is that Flacco is all bad, all the time.
                    That 3rd down pass you're referring to, Freeman missed the blitz pick up, and Flacco couldn't step into the throw.
                    What's the difference between ignorance and apathy?
                    I don't know and I don't care

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                    • Originally posted by Amy-Selic View Post
                      Note that he didnt take his spot back and the improvement of the ravens offense, a better QB has a strange way of doing that
                      That's because they knew they would trade him. They let the rook get some game time.

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                      • Originally posted by JW7 View Post
                        Really not interested in arguing this. I have my opinion that he is average and you all have your opinion that he is one of the worst starters in the league. No amount of going back in forth on here will change either of our opinions.

                        I'm just glad that the team is on a two game winning streak with a chance to get back into the playoff conversation on Thursday.
                        What we don’t get is that the numbers just don’t support the notion that he’s average, and yet you guys just keep insisting he is. It’s puzzling to say the least.

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                        • Originally posted by orange crush75 View Post
                          That's because they knew they would trade him. They let the rook get some game time.
                          And why would they want to trade him in favor of an unproven rookie if he was an average starting QB? Jackson was pretty bad as a passer last season if you don’t recall.

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                          • Originally posted by orange crush75 View Post
                            That's because they knew they would trade him. They let the rook get some game time.
                            Why would they want to trade him for an unproven rook if he was good?

                            oop sniped by beelzebob

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                            • Put him on a solid team, and I think he would be better? The Ravens did not want him to get hurt and be on the hook for his contract.
                              That was one reason they didn't play him again.

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                              • Originally posted by BeelzeBob View Post
                                What we don’t get is that the numbers just don’t support the notion that he’s average, and yet you guys just keep insisting he is. It’s puzzling to say the least.
                                Depends on which numbers you choose. Two quarterbacks:

                                #1 - 10 playoff wins, 5 losses and one Super Bowl Championship

                                #2 - 10 playoff wins, 7 losses and one Super Bowl Championship

                                Using outcomes as the ultimate statistic, which one is above, average, or below average?

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