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  • DENVERSB50CHAMP
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    Originally posted by Broncos-R-Great View Post
    Elway: “Orton... I mean Flacco gives us the best chance to win”
    Did JE really say that after that dreadful performance Thursday Night? If he really think Joe/Kyle Orton 2.0 really gives Denver a chance I want what Medication JE is on because that is just Delusional.

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  • Broncos-R-Great
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    Originally posted by Freyaka View Post
    The fact that Elway isn't bringing lock off IR until week 14 tells me flacco won't be going anywhere.

    Elway is going to stubbornly try and build the team around flacco next year too....
    Elway: “Orton... I mean Flacco gives us the best chance to win”

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  • Papa-pwn
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    Originally posted by Freyaka View Post
    The fact that Elway isn't bringing lock off IR until week 14 tells me flacco won't be going anywhere.

    Elway is going to stubbornly try and build the team around flacco next year too....
    Obscene.

    Flacco is on pace for 14 total TDs and 18 total turnovers. Compare to Keenum's 20:17 ratio last year.

    John was quick to move on from Keenum, why dig his heels in on the huge mistake that is Flacco? It would save him a ton of face in the public eye if he could better admit his mistakes.

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  • RocketArm006
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    Originally posted by Freyaka View Post
    The fact that Elway isn't bringing lock off IR until week 14 tells me flacco won't be going anywhere.

    Elway is going to stubbornly try and build the team around flacco next year too....
    It’s very unfortunate because this is a prime season to move to a young QB approach. I agree that the probability is high that Flacco is the guy next year as well.

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  • Freyaka
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    The fact that Elway isn't bringing lock off IR until week 14 tells me flacco won't be going anywhere.

    Elway is going to stubbornly try and build the team around flacco next year too....

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  • RocketArm006
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    Originally posted by arapaho View Post
    As of now we have it, if we don’t sign anybody else Flacco will be cut
    I’m not so sure about that. It sort of seems like Flacco is their guy for the foreseeable future.

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  • arapaho
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    Originally posted by BroncoStampede View Post
    Ok, I see what you were saying about the 10.8 million. Whatever cap space we have this year could be carried over to next year to mitigate Flaccos 13 million cap hit.

    Although, I dont think you can count on that full amount being carried over. There's still a long way to go before the end of the league year.

    As of now we have it, if we don’t sign anybody else Flacco will be cut

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  • BroncoStampede
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    Originally posted by arapaho View Post
    simple

    the broncos had basically zero cap going into the season



    https://overthecap.com/player/joe-flacco/1383/
    because flacco cap hit in 2019 is only $4,900,000 instead of the 21.9 that we owed him...it created over 13 mill in cap space this season when we had none...if we did not restructure we would have a cap hit on flacco 21.9 mill in 2019

    there is still 10.8 mill of that cap savings on the books

    we can cut flacco next season 2020 which would be a hit of 13.6 mill ( of that 10.8 is still on the books from his restructure, which if we don't use it, would carry over to 2020, and would be used to pay the 13.6 mill cap hit in releasing him) we would owe 2.8 mill from the 2020 cap allowance and it saves us 10 mill in cap next year
    Ok, I see what you were saying about the 10.8 million. Whatever cap space we have this year could be carried over to next year to mitigate Flaccos 13 million cap hit.

    Although, I dont think you can count on that full amount being carried over. There's still a long way to go before the end of the league year.

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  • arapaho
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    Originally posted by BroncoStampede View Post
    I'm not following your explanation of the math. They converted 17 million of his 2019 salary into a signing bonus, which created a 13 million cap hit if hes released after this season. This is what created the 13 million of cap space for us this year. If hes not cut after this season his cap hit is 23.6 million. Wheres the 10.8 million figure you mentioned coming from?

    As you stated, we basically pulled 13 million of our cap space from next year into this year. For what reason, I dont know. Trying to make it look like he was extended without really being extended? Giving him a cash windfall? A vote of confidence?

    It looks like he will be cut after this year. Its going to be too expensive to keep him.

    https://www.milehighreport.com/2019/...on-in-cap-room

    simple

    the broncos had basically zero cap going into the season

    the Broncos agreed to trade for Flacco and the trade will be executed on March 13, 2019. The Broncos restructured the contract on September 3, 2019, creating $13.6 million in cap space by converting $17 million in salary to a signing bonus and adding two void years to the contract. The Broncos created $13.6 million in cap room and will add $3.4 million in cap room to the 2020 and 2021 contract years.


    https://overthecap.com/player/joe-flacco/1383/
    because flacco cap hit in 2019 is only $4,900,000 instead of the 21.9 that we owed him...it created over 13 mill in cap space this season when we had none...if we did not restructure we would have a cap hit on flacco 21.9 mill in 2019

    there is still 10.8 mill of that cap savings on the books

    we can cut flacco next season 2020 which would be a hit of 13.6 mill ( of that 10.8 is still on the books from his restructure, which if we don't use it, would carry over to 2020, and would be used to pay the 13.6 mill cap hit in releasing him) we would owe 2.8 mill from the 2020 cap allowance and it saves us 10 mill in cap next year
    Last edited by arapaho; 10-23-2019, 10:14 AM.

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  • BroncoStampede
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    Originally posted by arapaho View Post
    I doubt it, basically to me they simply took 13 mill from his 2019 pay, and put it on the 2020 books, of that we still have over 10 mill on the cap
    so when it comes to 2020 they can cut flacco by paying him the 13 mill he restructured..( again which as of today 10.8 mill is still on the books) so in reality it would cost 2 mill to cut flacco since the 10.8 on the books was his 2019 pay
    I'm not following your explanation of the math. They converted 17 million of his 2019 salary into a signing bonus, which created a 13 million cap hit if hes released after this season. This is what created the 13 million of cap space for us this year. If hes not cut after this season his cap hit is 23.6 million. Wheres the 10.8 million figure you mentioned coming from?

    As you stated, we basically pulled 13 million of our cap space from next year into this year. For what reason, I dont know. Trying to make it look like he was extended without really being extended? Giving him a cash windfall? A vote of confidence?

    It looks like he will be cut after this year. Its going to be too expensive to keep him.

    https://www.milehighreport.com/2019/...on-in-cap-room

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  • arapaho
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    Originally posted by Capt. Jack View Post
    I think since they restructured Flacco's contract, that he's going to be the starter the next couple years.
    Or until Drew Lock wins the job outright , or Flacco gets hurt.
    I think Flacco plays out the remainder of his contract in Denver.
    I doubt it, basically to me they simply took 13 mill from his 2019 pay, and put it on the 2020 books, of that we still have over 10 mill on the cap
    so when it comes to 2020 they can cut flacco by paying him the 13 mill he restructured..( again which as of today 10.8 mill is still on the books) so in reality it would cost 2 mill to cut flacco since the 10.8 on the books was his 2019 pay

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  • broncoslover115
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    Originally posted by Capt. Jack View Post
    I think since they restructured Flacco's contract, that he's going to be the starter the next couple years.
    Or until Drew Lock wins the job outright , or Flacco gets hurt.
    I think Flacco plays out the remainder of his contract in Denver.
    That would be horrible. I can’t take Flacco for one more week. The thought of him for a couple of more years....yikes.

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  • RocketArm006
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    Originally posted by Capt. Jack View Post
    I think since they restructured Flacco's contract, that he's going to be the starter the next couple years.
    Or until Drew Lock wins the job outright , or Flacco gets hurt.
    I think Flacco plays out the remainder of his contract in Denver.
    I really hope that doesn’t happen. The next few weeks will be very telling.

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  • Capt. Jack
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    He is supposed to make a little over 23 mill. Next year????

    What a nightmare
    Last edited by Capt. Jack; 10-22-2019, 06:08 AM.

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  • Papa-pwn
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    Originally posted by Capt. Jack View Post
    I think since they restructured Flacco's contract, that he's going to be the starter the next couple years.
    Or until Drew Lock wins the job outright , or Flacco gets hurt.
    I think Flacco plays out the remainder of his contract in Denver.
    I doubt it, but that would be one way to ruin Elway's legacy and get him fired. Way to think outside the box lol

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