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  • Fantaztic7
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    Originally posted by BeelzeBob
    The average starting QB in the NFL makes more good plays than bad plays. Flacco is roughly 50/50 as you say, and that makes him below average.
    Who would you have started over the last 6 games, Brandon Allen? Everyone can go back and forth but the reality is Joe Flacco is the starting quarterback. Lock injured his thumb in preseason and Allen was a late signing after Hogan proved incapable.

    Flacco and the offense haven’t played with consistency, but Joe led a couple of late scoring drives to put the Broncos in position to win. Both side of the arguments have merit, e.g. Flacco should have played better earlier in those games and not turned the ball over. Those arguments are fair. It’s also reasonable to say the defense should have held the Bears and Jags from scoring (officials played a role). Play calling and the offensive line play a role along with Flacco.

    Lock would likely give Scangarello more plays with his athleticism and arm talent, but we might lose some of the playbook with a young signal caller learning a complex offense.

    If the Broncos stack some wins and get back into the division race I doubt we’ll see Lock anytime soon. If we see another four game losing streak I wouldn’t be surprised to see Lock.

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  • Peanut
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    This thread has been cleaned numerous times. Numerous notes left by mods.

    The Warning sticky is still here for a reason.

    Have your strong opinions. But remember that they are opinions (even if backed by stats) and that others are allowed to have differing views.

    Do it in a respectful manner or this thread will get closed and / or IPs handed out.

    No need to be nasty.

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  • Taos_Broncomaniac
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    Originally posted by Papa-pwn View Post
    He is 26-31 since his decline truly started in 2015. That's below average. His losing record in that span combined with his bottom-teir individual numbers means he is a below average QB by all standards.

    In every offense he's been in through that time frame, he has underperformed. We knew what we were getting, and that is one of the leagues worst starters.
    My recollection is that after his big payday, the cap hit wiped out the supporting cast and the rest is history.

    Right now, we need to protect him to find out what he's got left in the tank. A couple of the receivers stepped up yesterday, we need more out of the TE position big time.

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  • the0rangecrush
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    Originally posted by BeelzeBob View Post
    No they don’t. Sorry.
    Yes they do, try again.

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  • the0rangecrush
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    Originally posted by BeelzeBob View Post
    So is it your position that being a statue in the pocket doesn’t make it much harder to protect a QB? In my opinion Flacco’s 0 score in athleticism or even basic pocket movement with his feet makes him probably the easiest QB in the league to sack. I mean you get that the league is full of guys who are paid to sack the QB right? It’s not easy to protect a slug like Flacco, not even remotely.
    Statistics show you are wrong again, and he is not the easiest QB to sack. The offense runs quick developing routes, and gets the ball out fast. Yet the OL still is sub par in pass pro, and one of the more highly penalized teams in terms of holding being the 4th worst in the league. Flacco's lack of mobility may play a part, but the inability to sustain blocks is what's holding the offense back even moreso.

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  • BeelzeBob
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    Originally posted by the0rangecrush View Post
    Statistics show, it is in fact below average in pass protection.
    No they don’t. Sorry.

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  • BeelzeBob
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    Originally posted by the0rangecrush View Post
    Denver is the 11th worst team in sack rate, and tied for 17th in QB hits, despite having the QB who has the 6th fastest time to throw. The offense which is just very similar to SF, has a eerily similar QB metrics, but our OL is way worse in all the categories. The 49ers are undefeated, and we are 2-4.
    So is it your position that being a statue in the pocket doesn’t make it much harder to protect a QB? In my opinion Flacco’s 0 score in athleticism or even basic pocket movement with his feet makes him probably the easiest QB in the league to sack. I mean you get that the league is full of guys who are paid to sack the QB right? It’s not easy to protect a slug like Flacco, not even remotely.

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  • the0rangecrush
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    Originally posted by Amy-Selic View Post
    Not that good, if it were we wouldnt have lost against the bears and jags. If we had the 49ers D we too would actually have a winning record and perhaps only lost the packers game but its all theoretical
    They haven't allowed a TD in 9 quarters, and are two terribly called roughing calls from 4-2.

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  • the0rangecrush
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    Originally posted by BeelzeBob View Post
    The pass protection is average. The running game is above average. An average QB would probably be getting average or better results with this offense. If a QB needs a great OL to be passable, he’s just bad. That’s the truth.
    Statistics show, it is in fact below average in pass protection.

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  • Amy-Selic
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    Originally posted by the0rangecrush View Post
    Our defense is good as well
    Not that good, if it were we wouldnt have lost against the bears and jags. If we had the 49ers D we too would actually have a winning record and perhaps only lost the packers game but its all theoretical

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  • BeelzeBob
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    Originally posted by mozzerpete View Post
    Denver's OL isn't helping Flacco much.
    (Like QB's before him)

    Do you think Flacco would perform better behind Dallas' OL?
    If so, maybe that's his current potential.
    The pass protection is average. The running game is above average. An average QB would probably be getting average or better results with this offense. If a QB needs a great OL to be passable, he’s just bad. That’s the truth.

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  • the0rangecrush
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    Originally posted by Amy-Selic View Post
    The 49ers also have an absolutely monstrous defense. Like we're talking outrageously good. Sound familiar?
    Our defense is good as well

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  • Amy-Selic
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    Originally posted by Fantaztic7 View Post
    That improvement wasn’t evident in the playoffs.
    You said the word playoffs and need not say anymore. Playoffs

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  • Fantaztic7
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    Originally posted by Amy-Selic View Post
    Note that he didnt take his spot back and the improvement of the ravens offense, a better QB has a strange way of doing that
    That improvement wasn’t evident in the playoffs.

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  • Amy-Selic
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    Originally posted by the0rangecrush View Post
    Denver is the 11th worst team in sack rate, and tied for 17th in QB hits, despite having the QB who has the 6th fastest time to throw. The offense which is just very similar to SF, has a eerily similar QB metrics, but our OL is way worse in all the categories. The 49ers are undefeated, and we are 2-4.
    The 49ers also have an absolutely monstrous defense. Like we're talking outrageously good. Sound familiar?

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