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  • Originally posted by JvDub95 View Post
    I'm leaning toward 1 year with the rookie we draft this year taking over in 2020
    Same. Maybe not even a full year.

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    • I would like to have the same QB for a few years. I don't care who is QB, I just want the offense to move the ball consistently, and score points regularly.

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      • Originally posted by Capt. Jack View Post
        I would like to have the same QB for a few years. I don't care who is QB, I just want the offense to move the ball consistently, and score points regularly.

        Sad we are down to just wanting that.... but it’s so true, haha
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        • Originally posted by Fantaztic7
          The stats from my perspective don’t mean Flacco was a mistake. Flacco struggled to stay healthy and production was limited over recent seasons. That doesn’t mean there isn’t potential upside to the trade to which I’ve previously said. Foles would have been my choice with Elway going the veteran route - a veteran I’ve advocated for. I would still like the Broncos to draft a quarterback in this draft. Jarrett Stidham would be my pick in the 3rd round.
          Welcome aboard the Flacco train!!!

          It's easy to list all the reasons why a certain move was wrong, or might fail. It's the "solution" that's tough. Thanks for putting your "solution" of Flacco and Stidham out there. We will see how it turns out! Should be interesting!

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          • If it brings SUPER bowls like PFM ain't so sad then.

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            • If Flacco is going to succeed here, we need to draft a tight end high, possibly even another WR like Brown or N'Keal Harry. We also are likely going to need a RT, which may have to be done through the draft at a mid round pick.
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              • Originally posted by TheAsianPA View Post
                If Flacco is going to succeed here, we need to draft a tight end high, possibly even another WR like Brown or N'Keal Harry. We also are likely going to need a RT, which may have to be done through the draft at a mid round pick.
                A lot of the OL needs refinement Munchie boy will help but we likely will lose Paradis to FA. I would be okay with McGovern taking over at C but we need two OGs as I don't believe Leary was playing very well prior to injury and now after I don't think he will be much better. Maybe we'll end up with two Connor McGoverns on the OL?

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                • Originally posted by Papa-pwn View Post
                  A lot of the OL needs refinement Munchie boy will help but we likely will lose Paradis to FA. I would be okay with McGovern taking over at C but we need two OGs as I don't believe Leary was playing very well prior to injury and now after I don't think he will be much better. Maybe we'll end up with two Connor McGoverns on the OL?
                  I truly believe Leary’s struggles stem from

                  1. Being moved to RG. He was a superior LG in Dallas and
                  2. Always trying to help out the guys around him getting blown up. Mainly the RT’s since Paradis is a top flight center.

                  I really wish we would move him back to LG, draft a LT and move Bolles over to either RG or RT.

                  Also don’t under estimate the ability for munchak and the new scheme to be a better system fit for Leary. We are obviously all skeptical due to his injury. But he didn’t just forget how to football when he left Dallas. And he isn’t that old yet. I truly believe it was more scheme than anything. I think Leary can still return to a dominant form here if we add some above average support along with higher. But losing Paradis certainly won’t help my case.
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                  • Originally posted by DenverBlood View Post
                    I truly believe Leary’s struggles stem from

                    1. Being moved to RG. He was a superior LG in Dallas and
                    2. Always trying to help out the guys around him getting blown up. Mainly the RT’s since Paradis is a top flight center.

                    I really wish we would move him back to LG, draft a LT and move Bolles over to either RG or RT.

                    Also don’t under estimate the ability for munchak and the new scheme to be a better system fit for Leary. We are obviously all skeptical due to his injury. But he didn’t just forget how to football when he left Dallas. And he isn’t that old yet. I truly believe it was more scheme than anything. I think Leary can still return to a dominant form here if we add some above average support along with higher. But losing Paradis certainly won’t help my case.
                    I know Leary was at RG during his first season with us but I thought he was back playing at LG last season before his injury?

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                    • Originally posted by Mel B. View Post
                      I know Leary was at RG during his first season with us but I thought he was back playing at LG last season before his injury?
                      It appears you are correct. I guess i forgot because he was injured so early on. But our rushing attack was also very good earlier in the year when he was healthy and a lot of Lindsay’s best work was up the gut not out beyond the left tackle.

                      I still think scheme is partly to blame for Leary’s struggles. I hope I’m not wrong.
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                      • Originally posted by Papa-pwn View Post
                        Those numbers are a little off. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/denver-broncos/cap/ has us at 22m in cap space. Cut Keenum and get to 32m, cut Wolfe and Sanders to get to 52m. Don't forget draft picks -10m. So 42m, and that is not much left to cover replacing those key contributors we cut or to re-sign/replace/tender the many key contributors whose contracts are expiring.

                        Brandon Marshall, Jared Veldheer, Domata Peko, Tramaine Brock, Shaquil Barrett, Matt Paradis, Shane Ray, Billy Turner, Bradley Roby, Andre Holmes, Zach Kerr, Gino Gradkowski, Jamar Taylor, Shelby Harris, Jeff Heuerman, Deiontrez Mount, Max Garcia, Kevin Hogan, Casey Kreiter, Jordan Taylor, Jerrol Garcia-Williams, Elijah Wilkinson, Joe Jones, Brian Parker, Matt LaCossse, Dymonte Thomas, Tim Patrick

                        There's just a lot of holes to fill and not much resources for it. Would help to have a significantly cheaper QB situation instead of a top 3 highest cap hit in the league for QB(even if we cut Keenum) https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/positional/quarterback/

                        Should have cut Keenum, used the 11m saved on a 2 year 10m deal for Fitzpatrick and draft drew Lock. Our QB cap hit would be around 17.5m instead of ~30m and that could be the difference between signing/retaining a key player.
                        Spotrac's figure does include ~8.5M for rookies. They call it draft pool cap. Close to the bottom of the page they breakdown what each draft pick is projected to cost.

                        On another note... Leary can be cut, he does have an injury guarantee on the contract but is capped at 24M, he has been paid 18.84M ... doing the math if cut would save ~4.2M. Otherwise he is scheduled to be a 9.2M cap hit. I have researched this and I could still be wrong but I'm pretty sure this is correct. Still they might want to keep him at 9.2M ?
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                        • Originally posted by TheAsianPA View Post
                          If Flacco is going to succeed here, we need to draft a tight end high, possibly even another WR like Brown or N'Keal Harry. We also are likely going to need a RT, which may have to be done through the draft at a mid round pick.
                          I'd like to see us sign Jessie James from Pitt. He's played in all games the last 3yrs and is familiar with Munchak.

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                          • Originally posted by DenverBlood View Post
                            It appears you are correct. I guess i forgot because he was injured so early on. But our rushing attack was also very good earlier in the year when he was healthy and a lot of Lindsay’s best work was up the gut not out beyond the left tackle.

                            I still think scheme is partly to blame for Leary’s struggles. I hope I’m not wrong.
                            2018 starting O-Line: Bolles; Leary; Paradis; McGovern; Veldheer. IIRC, Paradis went down and McGovern moved to C and Garcia went to RG. Leary went down and Turner filled in at LG. Garcia went down and Wilkinson started at RG. As 2018 ended, the O-Line was: Bolles; Turner; McGovern; Wilkinson; and, Veldheer.
                            "Stultum est timere quod vitare non potes." ~ Publilius Syrus

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                            • Originally posted by Freyaka View Post
                              This is not me being an "appologist" but there's more to it than him just struggling to throw the deep ball since he won the Superbowl. And that's not even an accurate analysis really.

                              He won the superbowl in 2012. He had 60 passes over 20 yards that year and 12 over 40.

                              In 2013 he had 45 over 20 and 14 over 40.
                              In 2014 with Kubes he had 50 over 20 and 7 over 40.
                              From 2015 on he had Marty Mornweig who just refuses to call plays that throw down field. You see a steep decline from 2014 with Kubes to 2015-2018 under Mornweig.

                              It's a combination of not having any true deep ball threats (though he had Perriman in 2016 and that shows because that year he jumped back up to 40 over 20 and 11 over 40) and having a scheme that frankly doesn't maximize what he's best at.
                              You missed the year with Trestman in between Kubes and MM. turrible. lol It was more Mike Wallace that had a decent year in 2016 and provided the deep threat. Periman had a few catches but may have dropped more than he caught.

                              Yeah, this is pretty much spot on. Joe performs best in an up tempo offense, no huddle/sugar huddle where a rhythm can be developed. After 2014 the philosophy always seemed to push and plod and try to shorten the game. They accepted that they were devoid of play makers and tried to do what they could to win with what they had. The philosophy and play calling did not play to Flacco's strengths, did not put him in the best position to succeed.

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                              • Originally posted by Oust_Elway View Post
                                That’s pretty much how I feel. I’m just bitter about it. Much rather see that extra money going to Paradis or another player we can lock down longterm, stick with keenum, get our guy this year or 2020 depending on who they evaluate to be the best prospect.
                                If the second half of the QB offseason equation involves drafting a tall rocket armed fearless QB @10.... you bring in a tall rocket armed fearless QB to build a bridge for him.

                                The Keenum/Kelly combination (6'0", mobile gamer)... is half way through the new transformation into The Flacco/Lock combination

                                The sooner we get a developed Lock/Scang QB/OC combination the sooner the DEN future can truly begin; Flacco is step 1 of a process.

                                -GB2

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