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Flacco was a serviceable QB on a friendly, reasonably-priced contract.
Srsly...we're like 3 bad calls, a few bad bounces, and three brutal injuries (james/callahan/chubb) from being in the thick of the playoff hunt. All of this while installing a new staff, learning 2 very complex schemes, and building up a talented group of young players.
Like any of the Captain Buzzkills in this thread would be singing Elway's praises if he'd signed Matt Moore for 9m a year?
And what exactly was the right QB move this off-season? Draft Haskins? Throw Lock into the fire from Day 1?
A good foundation is finally being poured and that's when people want to bring in the wrecking ball...
lol but in reality the team is 3-7 and the season is over. Flacco was not reasonably serviceable. He was a bottom of the league rated qb being paid like an above average qb.
There’s no captain buzzkill in people being less in denial than others.
For a veteran like Flacco he’ll get whatever he’s scheduled to earn as long as he’s injured. With his neck injury it’s possible he could be with the Broncos earning $23,650,000 million next season. At least until he’s cleared to play. If he’s cleared to play before next season, I think the cap savings are greater with a post-June 1 cut: $20,250,000 vs $10,050,000 cap savings.
He has no injury guarantees in his contract, so they can move on once the season is over. The problem with him being designated a post June 1 cut is that Denver won't get the cap savings until after June 1, and it would push his cap hit into a 3rd year. With a lot of cap space in 2020, and with a decent amount to be rolled over, I'd just release him Feb 15th (or whatever the first day they can release him is) and take the cap hit immediately.
For a veteran like Flacco he’ll get whatever he’s scheduled to earn as long as he’s injured. With his neck injury it’s possible he could be with the Broncos earning $23,650,000 million next season. At least until he’s cleared to play. If he’s cleared to play before next season, I think the cap savings are greater with a post-June 1 cut: $20,250,000 vs $10,050,000 cap savings.
From what I understand of it, the restructure created emergency cap room (because we had virtually nil left) (which can be rolled over to next year) and we are not paying Flacco anything more than what was on the original contract, and we can cut him in the offseason easily. See MHR article:
Flacco was a serviceable QB on a friendly, reasonably-priced contract.
Srsly...we're like 3 bad calls, a few bad bounces, and three brutal injuries (james/callahan/chubb) from being in the thick of the playoff hunt. All of this while installing a new staff, learning 2 very complex schemes, and building up a talented group of young players.
Like any of the Captain Buzzkills in this thread would be singing Elway's praises if he'd signed Matt Moore for 9m a year?
And what exactly was the right QB move this off-season? Draft Haskins? Throw Lock into the fire from Day 1?
A good foundation is finally being poured and that's when people want to bring in the wrecking ball...
The worst part about it is Elway wasn’t just signing a “bridge” qb. He genuinely thought he was getting qb still in his “prime” who had the potential to repeat Manning’s success. That’s the signs of a delusional GM who has lost site of reality of today’s NFL.
If not for Flacco’s injury in the Colts game he would still be playing. It shows Elway’s stubbornness and lack of ability to change. It’s borderline bizarre.
I remember the trade thread on Flacco well before it happened. Didn’t want him and things played out like many of us believed. I accepted the fact he was the quarterback. Flacco was one of the main reasons for another wasted season. If you’re going to have a bridge quarterback, sign guys like Matt Moore on the cheap. Heck, Allen is 1-1 and should be 2-0 sans the epic collapse by the defense. Ja’Wuan James was the other colossal mistake with his $51 mil contract. Rolling over Flacco’s cap isn’t what matters. Wasting the development of a young quarterback and the season for other players is the real loss. There are a lot of people on the board who railed on Papa for his analysis and prediction for Flacco, which was 100% accurate.
The worst part about it is Elway wasn’t just signing a “bridge” qb. He genuinely thought he was getting qb still in his “prime” who had the potential to repeat Manning’s success. That’s the signs of a delusional GM who has lost site of reality of today’s NFL.
How about this? Signing Flacco was an incredible mistake. Massive. From the very beginning I hated it, and have never changed my opinion on him even once. And I got called a fake fan for it. Who cares about cap owed or dead cap? Just don't sign aging bridge quarterbacks and we won't have this problem to begin with. Elway has made the final mistake in my book as a GM. From Siemian to Flacco and all the atrocities in between, I want him gone.
I remember the trade thread on Flacco well before it happened. Didn’t want him and things played out like many of us believed. I accepted the fact he was the quarterback. Flacco was one of the main reasons for another wasted season. If you’re going to have a bridge quarterback, sign guys like Matt Moore on the cheap. Heck, Allen is 1-1 and should be 2-0 sans the epic collapse by the defense. Ja’Wuan James was the other colossal mistake with his $51 mil contract. Rolling over Flacco’s cap isn’t what matters. Wasting the development of a young quarterback and the season for other players is the real loss. There are a lot of people on the board who railed on Papa for his analysis and prediction for Flacco, which was 100% accurate.
How about this? Signing Flacco was an incredible mistake. Massive. From the very beginning I hated it, and have never changed my opinion on him even once. And I got called a fake fan for it. Who cares about cap owed or dead cap? Just don't sign aging bridge quarterbacks and we won't have this problem to begin with. Elway has made the final mistake in my book as a GM. From Siemian to Flacco and all the atrocities in between, I want him gone.
From what I understand of it, the restructure created emergency cap room (because we had virtually nil left) (which can be rolled over to next year) and we are not paying Flacco anything more than what was on the original contract, and we can cut him in the offseason easily. See MHR article:
One of elways top 5 mistakes as our Gm. Pushing Flacco cap hit into future years without earning it.
We are paying Allen $22 mil less to accomplish the exact same stats and lose close games. Absolutely 0 reason to have pushed cap into future years for Flacco.
Yes we can cut him and save $10 mil. But we should’ve been able to cut him and save $23 mil.
From what I understand of it, the restructure created emergency cap room (because we had virtually nil left) (which can be rolled over to next year) and we are not paying Flacco anything more than what was on the original contract, and we can cut him in the offseason easily. See MHR article:
His cap hit if on the team will be $23.6m. His cap hit if cut will be $13.6m. A $10m saving if cut.
We will see what Lock and Allen do with the rest of the season, they may make it easier for the team to cut Flacco and possibly draft a QB in the mid rounds.
Either way, get ready for Siemien vs Lynch 2.0 next training camp with the almost inevitable Allen vs Lock competition.
One of elways top 5 mistakes as our Gm. Pushing Flacco cap hit into future years without earning it.
We are paying Allen $22 mil less to accomplish the exact same stats and lose close games. Absolutely 0 reason to have pushed cap into future years for Flacco.
Yes we can cut him and save $10 mil. But we should’ve been able to cut him and save $23 mil.
His cap hit if on the team will be $23.6m. His cap hit if cut will be $13.6m. A $10m saving if cut.
We will see what Lock and Allen do with the rest of the season, they may make it easier for the team to cut Flacco and possibly draft a QB in the mid rounds.
Either way, get ready for Siemien vs Lynch 2.0 next training camp with the almost inevitable Allen vs Lock competition.
It’s like we’re stuck in some kind of bizarre loop year after year
His cap hit if on the team will be $23.6m. His cap hit if cut will be $13.6m. A $10m saving if cut.
We will see what Lock and Allen do with the rest of the season, they may make it easier for the team to cut Flacco and possibly draft a QB in the mid rounds.
Either way, get ready for Siemien vs Lynch 2.0 next training camp with the almost inevitable Allen vs Lock competition.
Yep. Same thing all over again.
They’re already singing Allen’s praises and have said Lock isn’t a priority, so my guess is Allen is their guy going into next year with Lock maybe getting a shot, but he’ll have to look amazing in order to get a legit shot at starting.
I also think there is an outside chance they keep Flacco or bring in another vet.
I personally think there is no chance of them drafting a #1 QB and committing to him. If they draft a QB, it’ll be in the later rounds and it won’t matter because he won’t get a chance anyway.
I’m tired of this race to find the perfect game manager QB. I really wish they’d go with a young franchise QB, but they have shown time and time again that they don’t believe in that approach.
Here’s hoping the FO can fix the o-line and retain enough defense to support a mediocre game manager QB.
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