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  • Fantaztic7
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    Originally posted by RocketArm006 View Post
    I’m going to go way out on a limb and expect the FO and coaching staff to be stubborn and stick with the “We’re only a couple plays away and Flacco gives us the best chance to win” narrative.

    I thought it was kind of weird that he announced Patrick out of the blue last week. It wasn’t necessary at all. It also sent a message like their out to boost the offense and Lock wasn’t a high priority.

    I’d be much more interested in watching Lock loom like a rookie than watching Flacco look like a washed up mercenary.
    I’d be more interested in watching Brandon Allen at this point. Not preparing Lock to play is negligence for the future of the franchise. It would be difficult to fully assess Lock with 5-6 games, but it would give the Broncos an idea of what they have to work with. At a minimum Lock would have live action experience and film to work with in the off season.

    Maybe a loss to the Browns will prompt a change in direction.

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  • Fantaztic7
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    Originally posted by Megalodon30 View Post
    The more the losses pile up, the harder it is to justify keeping Lock on IR.
    It should be hard to justify keeping Bolles on the field but they stick with him. It should be hard to justify a lot of decisions with the Broncos. I don’t think we’ll see Lock until the last two to three weeks of the season, if at all. Flacco is the guy he wanted and he’ll ride him to another losing season.

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  • jazzy22jeff
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    Looks like my last post was deleted. I probably deserve an infraction as well. So, I will dilute it. Our current QB shows no desire to be here, he is simply here for a paycheck. No energy, no fire, NO veteran leadership (which he was brought here to do). Cant' wait till there is a change, hopefully as soon as Lock is back. At least there will be some energy in the QB position and a player who will lay his life out on the line for the team. Then I see this QB has the gall to criticize the coaching staff for not throwing the ball late in the game!! His quote, "It looks like we are playing scared to lose". We're 2-6, I dont think we are scared to lose. To put it mildly, I can't wait till this QB is off of our roster. He doesn't deserve a Bronco jersey.

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  • RocketArm006
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    Originally posted by Fantaztic7 View Post
    In the presser late last week Elway said Tim Patrick will be the first off IR. He said Riddick, Butt and Lock will be a week to week decision.

    I’m not expecting to see Lock take a regular season snap. Maybe a loss to the Browns will change Elway’s mind but I doubt it.
    I’m going to go way out on a limb and expect the FO and coaching staff to be stubborn and stick with the “We’re only a couple plays away and Flacco gives us the best chance to win” narrative.

    I thought it was kind of weird that he announced Patrick out of the blue last week. It wasn’t necessary at all. It also sent a message like their out to boost the offense and Lock wasn’t a high priority.

    I’d be much more interested in watching Lock loom like a rookie than watching Flacco look like a washed up mercenary.

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  • Megalodon30
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    Originally posted by Fantaztic7 View Post
    In the presser late last week Elway said Tim Patrick will be the first off IR. He said Riddick, Butt and Lock will be a week to week decision.

    I’m not expecting to see Lock take a regular season snap. Maybe a loss to the Browns will change Elway’s mind but I doubt it.
    The more the losses pile up, the harder it is to justify keeping Lock on IR.

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  • Fantaztic7
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    Originally posted by RocketArm006 View Post
    Nobody should be expecting to see miracle stats and wins after a QB change. It’s about evaluation for the future.

    We shall see what the FO and coaching staff says and does this week.

    Honestly, I’m expecting Flacco to remain the starter and I suspect they will bring Patrick and Riddick of IR.

    I hope I’m wrong. If Lock actually comes off IR, there’s a chance we could actually see some PT out of him. We’ll see how it all shakes down.
    In the presser late last week Elway said Tim Patrick will be the first off IR. He said Riddick, Butt and Lock will be a week to week decision.

    I’m not expecting to see Lock take a regular season snap. Maybe a loss to the Browns will change Elway’s mind but I doubt it.

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  • RocketArm006
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    Nobody should be expecting to see miracle stats and wins after a QB change. It’s about evaluation for the future.

    We shall see what the FO and coaching staff says and does this week.

    Honestly, I’m expecting Flacco to remain the starter and I suspect they will bring Patrick and Riddick of IR.

    I hope I’m wrong. If Lock actually comes off IR, there’s a chance we could actually see some PT out of him. We’ll see how it all shakes down.

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  • Fantaztic7
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    Originally posted by flosstein View Post
    Look, I get it. The highlights look cool. But other than the RPO, all those plays we do now. They look awesome against vanilla coverage from 2's and 3's. But that's the problem. Offense hasn't evolved since pre-season. I guarantee that if you look at the full drive, you see all the garbage, in the same order we're still seeing it.

    And i'm not saying Flacco over Lock. Just that when Lock gets his shot, don't expect a miracle offensive explosion or the "W's" to start racking up.
    Keep in mind Lock was playing behind 2s and 3s and without guys like Lindsay, Freeman and Sutton.

    I would have expected a W today because Lock can easily pickup 4 yards on an RPO. That’s not even an option with Flacco.

    The big picture isn’t about Lock getting wins this season. It’s about Elway acknowledging the obvious failure in signing a washed up Flacco. It’s about getting Lock reps in live action to get an early start on 2020. Not activating Lock and preparing him to start 5-6 games is pure neglect by Elway.

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  • Amy-Selic
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    Originally posted by flosstein View Post
    Look, I get it. The highlights look cool. But other than the RPO, all those plays we do now. They look awesome against vanilla coverage from 2's and 3's. But that's the problem. Offense hasn't evolved since pre-season. I guarantee that if you look at the full drive, you see all the garbage, in the same order we're still seeing it.

    And i'm not saying Flacco over Lock. Just that when Lock gets his shot, don't expect a miracle offensive explosion or the "W's" to start racking up.
    No one expects this, no one has ever said this ever. People are saying the season is shot, flacco is bad, we may as well start grooming the future

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  • Amy-Selic
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    Originally posted by 58Miller View Post
    If i had the power, I would have benched Flacco in the KC game and let Allen play.


    The team has said Lock isn’t ready, but if he was available I would go with an offense similar to the Tebow offense, heavy run with some play action, and RPO’s and as Lock progressed build off that. I would want him to have three full weeks of practice before i threw him in there.

    then we agree, flacco is bad, yes we support and rah rah the broncos every weekend but he's hard to watch. we're actually in agreement here , its frustrating seeing him trotted out every week

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  • flosstein
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    Originally posted by Fantaztic7 View Post
    The play calling would be better because Lock has the mobility and arm strength to run every play. He can pickup yards when the line breaks down or receivers are covered.

    Watch the tape from Lock vs Seattle:

    https://youtu.be/JPw0WZ_nkSU

    0:06
    0:17
    0:49 > RPO, a play you can run with Lock. Flacco cannot run this play
    1:00
    1:51
    1:59 > run, Flacco would have been sacked
    2:14
    2:49 > great throw to the TE
    3:04 > mobility, cannot get this out of Flacco
    3:14 > Lock was calm
    4:23
    4:44 > tight window for 2 pt play

    There are a few bad throws, but how many rookie quarterbacks don’t make poor throws/decisions?

    Look at the pass to Williams when Lock was under pressure on the rollout - that’s a play Flacco cannot make because he’s too slow.

    As far as the play calls you have a lot more options with Lock. Defenses would have to account for his ability to run.
    Look, I get it. The highlights look cool. But other than the RPO, all those plays we do now. They look awesome against vanilla coverage from 2's and 3's. But that's the problem. Offense hasn't evolved since pre-season. I guarantee that if you look at the full drive, you see all the garbage, in the same order we're still seeing it.

    And i'm not saying Flacco over Lock. Just that when Lock gets his shot, don't expect a miracle offensive explosion or the "W's" to start racking up.

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  • Fantaztic7
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    Originally posted by flosstein View Post
    What you’re asking for is exactly the problem. You’re expecting the play calling to get better with Lock. What makes you remotely believe that? Now just because Flacco hasn’t been playing at a PB level, his statement is still fact. And it’s been an issue all year.

    This is about 99% of how it goes. A few good plays we get into the redzone. Then the garbage starts with the first ultra predictable action........Spencer come in the game. Defense automatically knows the Jet Sweep plays are coming........we lose yards. Now we’re in negatives and just fighting to stay in FG range. And u expect Flacco, who’s now out of whatever rhythm he found to morph into PM on 3rd and 12+???? This is how it’s been 99% of our redzone trips.

    So what really makes u think Scags is going to change his terrible play calling to plays that fit Lock? He hasn’t shown that he can script an offense that fits Flacco, and he’s had 9 months!

    And it’s not to absolve Flacco for his poor play, but to point out that it’s far more than just him. And with the OC being part of the problem, it’s going to be just as bad, if not worse, with Lock.
    The play calling would be better because Lock has the mobility and arm strength to run every play. He can pickup yards when the line breaks down or receivers are covered.

    Watch the tape from Lock vs Seattle:

    https://youtu.be/JPw0WZ_nkSU

    0:06
    0:17
    0:49 > RPO, a play you can run with Lock. Flacco cannot run this play
    1:00
    1:51
    1:59 > run, Flacco would have been sacked
    2:14
    2:49 > great throw to the TE
    3:04 > mobility, cannot get this out of Flacco
    3:14 > Lock was calm
    4:23
    4:44 > tight window for 2 pt play

    There are a few bad throws, but how many rookie quarterbacks don’t make poor throws/decisions?

    Look at the pass to Williams when Lock was under pressure on the rollout - that’s a play Flacco cannot make because he’s too slow.

    As far as the play calls you have a lot more options with Lock. Defenses would have to account for his ability to run.

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  • 58Miller
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    Originally posted by flosstein View Post
    What you’re asking for is exactly the problem. You’re expecting the play calling to get better with Lock. What makes you remotely believe that? Now just because Flacco hasn’t been playing at a PB level, his statement is still fact. And it’s been an issue all year.

    This is about 99% of how it goes. A few good plays we get into the redzone. Then the garbage starts with the first ultra predictable action........Spencer come in the game. Defense automatically knows the Jet Sweep plays are coming........we lose yards. Now we’re in negatives and just fighting to stay in FG range. And u expect Flacco, who’s now out of whatever rhythm he found to morph into PM on 3rd and 12+???? This is how it’s been 99% of our redzone trips.

    So what really makes u think Scags is going to change his terrible play calling to plays that fit Lock? He hasn’t shown that he can script an offense that fits Flacco, and he’s had 9 months!

    And it’s not to absolve Flacco for his poor play, but to point out that it’s far more than just him. And with the OC being part of the problem, it’s going to be just as bad, if not worse, with Lock.
    I don’t think the play calling would be better with Lock, I think the play book would get a lot smaller but our production would probably be the same.
    I would have definitely benched Flacco in the KC game cause he was getting killed.

    I do agree with you on one thing for sure.
    The play calling was bad today. And many of the 3rd down conversions were 3rd and long after penalties. The 3rd and 5 should have been Scangerello’s best offensive play, or maybe something easy like the one earlier where Flacco hits Freeman in the hands for the first down and he drops it.

    Flacco was right when he said we need to be aggressive and not keep putting our defense in bad situations.

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  • JvDub95
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    Originally posted by flosstein View Post
    What you’re asking for is exactly the problem. You’re expecting the play calling to get better with Lock. What makes you remotely believe that? Now just because Flacco hasn’t been playing at a PB level, his statement is still fact. And it’s been an issue all year.

    This is about 99% of how it goes. A few good plays we get into the redzone. Then the garbage starts with the first ultra predictable action........Spencer come in the game. Defense automatically knows the Jet Sweep plays are coming........we lose yards. Now we’re in negatives and just fighting to stay in FG range. And u expect Flacco, who’s now out of whatever rhythm he found to morph into PM on 3rd and 12+???? This is how it’s been 99% of our redzone trips.

    So what really makes u think Scags is going to change his terrible play calling to plays that fit Lock? He hasn’t shown that he can script an offense that fits Flacco, and he’s had 9 months!

    And it’s not to absolve Flacco for his poor play, but to point out that it’s far more than just him. And with the OC being part of the problem, it’s going to be just as bad, if not worse, with Lock.
    Because Lock is versatile, he's an athlete. You can put him on the move and ask him to make plays on the perimeter. Flacco is so slow that he can't do bootleg plays or any play that requires leg movement. Look at every other team with 1st or 2nd year QBs starting, they are all scoring and competitive in every game

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  • flosstein
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    Originally posted by 58Miller View Post
    If i had the power, I would have benched Flacco in the KC game and let Allen play.


    The team has said Lock isn’t ready, but if he was available I would go with an offense similar to the Tebow offense, heavy run with some play action, and RPO’s and as Lock progressed build off that. I would want him to have three full weeks of practice before i threw him in there.
    What you’re asking for is exactly the problem. You’re expecting the play calling to get better with Lock. What makes you remotely believe that? Now just because Flacco hasn’t been playing at a PB level, his statement is still fact. And it’s been an issue all year.

    This is about 99% of how it goes. A few good plays we get into the redzone. Then the garbage starts with the first ultra predictable action........Spencer come in the game. Defense automatically knows the Jet Sweep plays are coming........we lose yards. Now we’re in negatives and just fighting to stay in FG range. And u expect Flacco, who’s now out of whatever rhythm he found to morph into PM on 3rd and 12+???? This is how it’s been 99% of our redzone trips.

    So what really makes u think Scags is going to change his terrible play calling to plays that fit Lock? He hasn’t shown that he can script an offense that fits Flacco, and he’s had 9 months!

    And it’s not to absolve Flacco for his poor play, but to point out that it’s far more than just him. And with the OC being part of the problem, it’s going to be just as bad, if not worse, with Lock.

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