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  • #46
    So what's the worst case scenario here? He doesn't turn out to be good at WR and doesn't make the team. Which is no different than him at CB, because he's not making the team at that position.

    What's the best case scenario here? He turns out to be a good WR and makes the team.

    What's the likely scenario? There are 2: first he shows enough to get interest but not enough to make the team and goes to the practice squad. The second is that he's raw at WR, but shows enough there that he makes the team because he can return kicks and has an ability to cover on special teams.

    I don't see a downside to any of those 4 scenarios. Even in the worst case scenario he ends up exactly where he would be as a corner. Not sure why people seem down on this?

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    • #47
      Another top Round Draft choice (3rd Round) who can't play. You continue to do that year, after year, after year, and you end up scrambling for any talent, whatsoever. And then you end up Drafting at #5 or #10 like us.

      I hope to God that last years Draft wasn't an aberration. And now that Kubiak is gone, we may find out if HE was responsible for last years "decent" Draft, it was a fluke, we got lucky, or if maybe last years Draft isn't as good as it now appears.

      Should be interesting, beginning Thursday night.

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      • #48
        Why does Kubiak get so much credit for last years draft but none of the blame for the picks when he was the head coach?

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        • #49
          Originally posted by beastlyskronk View Post
          Why does Kubiak get so much credit for last years draft but none of the blame for the picks when he was the head coach?
          Because head coaches don’t have time to scout. Last year scouting was his primary responsibility.
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          • #50
            Originally posted by Al Wilson 4 Mayor View Post
            Because head coaches don’t have time to scout. Last year scouting was his primary responsibility.
            That's not entirely true, as soon as the season is over coaches are generally tasked with breaking down the season, identifying where they need to get better and then finding players of interest in both free agency and the draft. Almost every HC will go to the Senior Bowl and combine, along with a pro day or two. They'll be at every single in person interview/meeting. And ultimately they'll be working to identify players for the last 6 to 7 weeks leading up to the draft.

            They may not scout during the season, but they'll have spent a lot of time on prospects leading to the draft and they'll have their opinions on who they want and who they don't.

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            • #51
              I don't see any way he makes the team. I don't think I even want him to make the team as he'd be so raw and basically gave up at CB, but I guess if shows something, then sure. But, yeah, he's done.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Butler By'Note View Post
                That's not entirely true, as soon as the season is over coaches are generally tasked with breaking down the season, identifying where they need to get better and then finding players of interest in both free agency and the draft. Almost every HC will go to the Senior Bowl and combine, along with a pro day or two. They'll be at every single in person interview/meeting. And ultimately they'll be working to identify players for the last 6 to 7 weeks leading up to the draft.

                They may not scout during the season, but they'll have spent a lot of time on prospects leading to the draft and they'll have their opinions on who they want and who they don't.
                Agreed, but that’s not the same as doing it full time.
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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Butler By'Note View Post
                  That's not entirely true, as soon as the season is over coaches are generally tasked with breaking down the season, identifying where they need to get better and then finding players of interest in both free agency and the draft. Almost every HC will go to the Senior Bowl and combine, along with a pro day or two. They'll be at every single in person interview/meeting. And ultimately they'll be working to identify players for the last 6 to 7 weeks leading up to the draft.

                  They may not scout during the season, but they'll have spent a lot of time on prospects leading to the draft and they'll have their opinions on who they want and who they don't.
                  I believe what AL is saying is that Kubiak may be good at evaluating talent but he showed that he was better at leading that group when he was doing it on a full-time basis. As a HC he is not able to put in the hours during the season and that is OK and a good thing. I do think that the reasonably high level of play we saw from our picks last year shows that a change in the scouting department was needed. I just hope that this season we don't see our team revert back to our "old ways" and draft poor players. I also hope, and this is more my mindset and comment, that we focus more on drafting quality players and drafting specific players we like - EVEN IF it means we pick fewer players in the draft by trading up or down where needed.

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                  • #54
                    Unfortunately, I think this experiment is going to be derailed by a young man named Juwaan Winfree. Calling it now...he will impress in training camp....then shine in preseason....he will be our #5 wideout and ultimately be our #3 by years end.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by skeeter01 View Post
                      Unfortunately, I think this experiment is going to be derailed by a young man named Juwaan Winfree. Calling it now...he will impress in training camp....then shine in preseason....he will be our #5 wideout and ultimately be our #3 by years end.
                      You might be right if Winfree can contribute on special teams.
                      Langley was pretty good on kick/punt coverage and has returned kickoffs, along with exp. as a corner. Those final roster spots usually go to the most versatile players.
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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by skeeter01 View Post
                        Unfortunately, I think this experiment is going to be derailed by a young man named Juwaan Winfree. Calling it now...he will impress in training camp....then shine in preseason....he will be our #5 wideout and ultimately be our #3 by years end.
                        They might end up with 6 receivers, it depends on who the players are and what they can contribute. as 58Miller pointed out he's played Special Teams in other places than returning, which is an asset. So if Langley can show anything as a receiver his resume becomes receiver, possible returner and special teams player. That's a lot of checkmarks.

                        But obviously we'll find out, Winfree will get his chance to show what he can do offensively and on teams. And ultimately Langley will need to do the same. They're competing against each other but they're also competing against a potential 6th corner, or a potential 5th safety etc.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by skeeter01 View Post
                          Unfortunately, I think this experiment is going to be derailed by a young man named Juwaan Winfree. Calling it now...he will impress in training camp....then shine in preseason....he will be our #5 wideout and ultimately be our #3 by years end.
                          most people seem to think suttons is a rising star, and i agree. so i don't see Winfree being better. i also don't see him jumping sanders or Hamiton. i feel it is gonna be a surprise if he gets serious receiving options outside preseason. i think out top four are pretty locked up Sutton, Sanders Halmiton and Patrick. in that order. i don't see that changing. i feel Winfree is a prospect we would love to PS, but may have to keep on him the roster if he contribute on special teams. and he shines in preseason. but i am still not really sold on him as more then Depth. this guy was not the best WR on his team this. and was completely outshined by Shenault. i may have a love affair for Shenault as a WR Prospect. but in the around 6-7 CU games i watched this season. Winfree didn't stick out. it was all on Shenault, but i can guarantee now in 2 years from Shenault being drafted he will be talked about with the elite Wide-outs. he was one of the best WR in college football and that shouldn't change this season. i am still on board with upgrading out WR core. to me i feel our Weakness atm at OT and WR core on the offense. maybe OG cause Leary wont be around long. so who knows what would be happen. i don't know we have WR that demands Double teams. at one point in his career Sanders did and sutton may in the future. but do they now?

                          either way i feel WR core may be kinda a weakness. we may be missing an number 1 guy.
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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Kyousukeneko View Post
                            most people seem to think suttons is a rising star, and i agree. so i don't see Winfree being better. i also don't see him jumping sanders or Hamiton. i feel it is gonna be a surprise if he gets serious receiving options outside preseason. i think out top four are pretty locked up Sutton, Sanders Halmiton and Patrick. in that order. i don't see that changing. i feel Winfree is a prospect we would love to PS, but may have to keep on him the roster if he contribute on special teams. and he shines in preseason. but i am still not really sold on him as more then Depth. this guy was not the best WR on his team this. and was completely outshined by Shenault. i may have a love affair for Shenault as a WR Prospect. but in the around 6-7 CU games i watched this season. Winfree didn't stick out. it was all on Shenault, but i can guarantee now in 2 years from Shenault being drafted he will be talked about with the elite Wide-outs. he was one of the best WR in college football and that shouldn't change this season. i am still on board with upgrading out WR core. to me i feel our Weakness atm at OT and WR core on the offense. maybe OG cause Leary wont be around long. so who knows what would be happen. i don't know we have WR that demands Double teams. at one point in his career Sanders did and sutton may in the future. but do they now?

                            either way i feel WR core may be kinda a weakness. we may be missing an number 1 guy.
                            I'm not sold on Hamilton yet. I could see him getting leaped past by another player.
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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Freyaka View Post
                              I'm not sold on Hamilton yet. I could see him getting leaped past by another player.
                              I am sold on the idea of wr being one of if not the hardest position to move from college to the NFL
                              So I feel a rookie would have to be special to jump him. Most wr have a break out season year 2 or 3. So I expect significant jumps out of both them. I also feel he is the ideal big slot in the NFL right now. He may be jumped for an outside spot. But the dudes a perfect slot in the NFL atm. Either way I don't think that our top three will change. And Patrick would have to regress not to make the team.
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                              • #60
                                Imo, they let Langley change to receiver because they could see a utility player in him. He has the speed to be a returner and STs standout. If the Broncos didn't see something they liked, they would have let him go. He's been around enough for them to know what he can and cannot do and who knows, he might turn into a great receiver. He has stood out against our #1 def. as a wr over the years from what I have read.

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