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  • #31
    Originally posted by MHS View Post
    'OK, you guys want to draft this guy? Well screw you, I’m going to prove that I’m the best guy. I’m going to make this decision look like a bad decision because of how I’m going to play.”

    One of Flacco's best friends said the above about Flacco when Ravens drafted Jackson. Flacco went on to not even send a congradulations text and then was motivated enough to go 4-5 with 12 TDs and 6 picks playing with a top 5 defense ... if that is a motivated Flacco then Lock will be starting by week 10.

    I can understand Flacco's frustration but at some point just saying something like " I look forward to working with Lock but my main focus is on winning" would have been saying the same thing but better phrasing. I can guarantee this will get brougt up by salty denver fans if Flacco struggle (even some of those who are glossing over it now)
    Flacco was well on his way to having, at least for him, a good season. But that really doesn't matter. Nor does it matter what he said about Jackson then or Lock now. All that matters is how he plays for the Broncos.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by MHS View Post
      'OK, you guys want to draft this guy? Well screw you, I’m going to prove that I’m the best guy. I’m going to make this decision look like a bad decision because of how I’m going to play.”

      One of Flacco's best friends said the above about Flacco when Ravens drafted Jackson. Flacco went on to not even send a congradulations text and then was motivated enough to go 4-5 with 12 TDs and 6 picks playing with a top 5 defense ... if that is a motivated Flacco then Lock will be starting by week 10.

      I can understand Flacco's frustration but at some point just saying something like " I look forward to working with Lock but my main focus is on winning" would have been saying the same thing but better phrasing. I can guarantee this will get brougt up by salty denver fans if Flacco struggle (even some of those who are glossing over it now)
      Exactly, if Flacco couldn’t inspire Harbaugh enough to hold his starting spot over Jackson why should we think he’d fare any better with a better passing QB behind him? Harbaugh trusted Lamar Jackson to save his job over Joe Flacco and that says a lot. Luckily for Flacco, Fangio probably isn’t on the hot seat. But with Flacco having no guaranteed money and the NFL standing for Not For Long, you have to find out what you have in Lock and build a team around him so Flacco will have a short leash.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by RobertR View Post
        You used the word "if". "Ifs" mean Lock COULD start. What I specifically addressed was the assumption that Lock will start. Your if scenario doesn't supported the assumption that Lock will start.
        Everything is an assumption, saying Fangio makes it through the season is technically an assumption. Anything can happen. Hell saying Flacco will start every game is an assumption. The only way he does that is IF he stays healthy AND IF he keeps us in playoff contention.

        If we are eliminated from playoff contention Lock will start, that is a guarantee. That would mean Flacco failed to do what he was brought in to do and there is no point whatsoever in trotting him out there when you can use those game(s) to get Lock meaningful reps and then cut Flacco in the offseason to get your future QB the pieces he needs to succeed. Everything we do from this point on is to build the team around Lock so he can be successful. Flacco is the bridge until either Lock proves himself or Flacco proves he can’t get it done.

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        • #34
          Harbaugh was on NFL network a few days back and he said Flacco was the first person to tell him to keep Jackson in if they were winning games. Not sure what is fake news or not but this came from Harbaugh.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by beastlyskronk View Post
            Everything is an assumption, saying Fangio makes it through the season is technically an assumption. Anything can happen. Hell saying Flacco will start every game is an assumption. .
            Of course. It's also an assumption that Lock won't suffer a season ending injury or not look godawful in TC.

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            • #36
              Mentoring your replacement is not a requirement.

              And what makes Flacco an eligible, yet alone desired mentor? Let's get real.

              It's not like he's been an elite QB in the league.... not by a long stretch.
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              • #37
                Originally posted by MHS View Post
                'OK, you guys want to draft this guy? Well screw you, I’m going to prove that I’m the best guy. I’m going to make this decision look like a bad decision because of how I’m going to play.”

                One of Flacco's best friends said the above about Flacco when Ravens drafted Jackson. Flacco went on to not even send a congradulations text and then was motivated enough to go 4-5 with 12 TDs and 6 picks playing with a top 5 defense ... if that is a motivated Flacco then Lock will be starting by week 10.

                I can understand Flacco's frustration but at some point just saying something like " I look forward to working with Lock but my main focus is on winning" would have been saying the same thing but better phrasing. I can guarantee this will get brougt up by salty denver fans if Flacco struggle (even some of those who are glossing over it now)
                I don't think Flacco has fully come to terms with his new role in the NFL- the mentor/bridge QB role. He will likely be forced to when this year proceeds similar to last year for him and he finds himself in Tampa Bay with Jake Fromm behind him for a couple of weeks. He is firmly in the McCown, Keenum, Fitzpatrick area.

                Fully entrenched starters have been far more gracious in their acceptance of new blood. I can't fault Flacco for how he responded and I'm not surprised by it either, but I would have hoped for something else in a perfect world. Heck, Eli Manning is significantly better than Flacco and he was a part of the pre-draft process, even took Daniel Jones out to dinner to go over things 1-on-1.

                When asked about the Giants taking a QB early he said "Yeah, I figure the Giants are going to get a young quarterback. So I understand that, I still have to do my job, and I'll do my part. And my job as I see it is to go out there and play quarterback and win football games. That is what I'll do." Then when asked specifically about mentoring the new QB, he said "That's just kind of part of being a quarterback, enjoy putting in the extra effort and work to get everybody up to speed and help young guys when they're trying to learn a new offense."

                Maybe that's because Eli was once the young kid taking the veteran Kurt Warner's job? Warner had this to say about it "I always took the approach that I was going to make that guy as good as he can be and then I want to beat him out," Warner said. "And show everybody that I can be the starter. If he was better and deserved to be on the field, he should be on the field, and I had to welcome that as part of what helped make our team the best. I believe that's the role that you play."

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by onanygivensunda View Post
                  Mentoring your replacement is not a requirement.

                  And what makes Flacco an eligible, yet alone desired mentor? Let's get real.

                  It's not like he's been an elite QB in the league.... not by a long stretch.
                  This is partly true, Flacco really doesn't have a whole lot to offer in terms of QB play advices- he's never made a pro bowl or really even had an above average season. However, he's been in the league a long time and has a wealth of experiences he could share with Lock in terms of game day preparation, recovery, study habits, recollections about what has been difficult for him in the playoffs, ect.

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                  • #39
                    I love it! Any starting QB worth his roster spot should feel and say the exact same thing. I don't want him "mentoring" He tried that in Baltimore and it bit him hard. All I was Joe to do is focus on giving us awesome Bronco football this season. If Lock wants to be the starting QB of the Denver Broncos, he has to take it upon himself to get to the next level.
                    #swapping

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Papa-pwn View Post
                      I don't think Flacco has fully come to terms with his new role in the NFL- the mentor/bridge QB role. He will likely be forced to when this year proceeds similar to last year for him and he finds himself in Tampa Bay with Jake Fromm behind him for a couple of weeks. He is firmly in the McCown, Keenum, Fitzpatrick area.

                      Fully entrenched starters have been far more gracious in their acceptance of new blood. I can't fault Flacco for how he responded and I'm not surprised by it either, but I would have hoped for something else in a perfect world. Heck, Eli Manning is significantly better than Flacco and he was a part of the pre-draft process, even took Daniel Jones out to dinner to go over things 1-on-1.

                      When asked about the Giants taking a QB early he said "Yeah, I figure the Giants are going to get a young quarterback. So I understand that, I still have to do my job, and I'll do my part. And my job as I see it is to go out there and play quarterback and win football games. That is what I'll do." Then when asked specifically about mentoring the new QB, he said "That's just kind of part of being a quarterback, enjoy putting in the extra effort and work to get everybody up to speed and help young guys when they're trying to learn a new offense."

                      Maybe that's because Eli was once the young kid taking the veteran Kurt Warner's job? Warner had this to say about it "I always took the approach that I was going to make that guy as good as he can be and then I want to beat him out," Warner said. "And show everybody that I can be the starter. If he was better and deserved to be on the field, he should be on the field, and I had to welcome that as part of what helped make our team the best. I believe that's the role that you play."
                      Wow. You are pretty sure Flacco is going to be a disaster, aren't you? You say Joe hasn't accepted his role. Well, maybe his role isn't what you think it is. Maybe he isn't a McCown type starter. Maybe Elway wasn't lying when he said he thought Flacco was still in his prime. Maybe there's a reason why he passed on Lock three times before drafting him. Maybe you should see how he actually plays for Denver before writing him off.

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                      • #41
                        Joe’s comments don’t bother me. He’s trying to learn the system just like Lock is. Flacco should worry about winning games. Lock should try to soak up as much as possible by observing.

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                        • #42
                          I don’t mind the comments. For the second year in a row, he’s on a team that drafted his imminent replacement. He should be focused on himself. I’m more worried that if Lock hasn’t caught up by this time next season, or isn’t at least in the discussion of being the starter, we have another Lynch on our hands.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Bronco51 View Post
                            I don’t mind the comments. For the second year in a row, he’s on a team that drafted his imminent replacement. He should be focused on himself. I’m more worried that if Lock hasn’t caught up by this time next season, or isn’t at least in the discussion of being the starter, we have another Lynch on our hands.
                            All good points although I don’t see the signs of another Lynch. The only similarities they have are a big arm.
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                            • #44
                              doesnt bother me.

                              his job is to win games, not play at being a coach.

                              Dont get me wrong, it would be great if he were to help, but honestly, its not a big deal.
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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by gerontion View Post
                                Wow. You are pretty sure Flacco is going to be a disaster, aren't you? You say Joe hasn't accepted his role. Well, maybe his role isn't what you think it is. Maybe he isn't a McCown type starter. Maybe Elway wasn't lying when he said he thought Flacco was still in his prime. Maybe there's a reason why he passed on Lock three times before drafting him. Maybe you should see how he actually plays for Denver before writing him off.
                                I'm just sure Flacco will be roughly what he always has been- below average.

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