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  • 2019 Predictions: Surprise Teams and Regression Teams

    One guy who caught my eye a lot last year for us was Joseph Jones. He flat out made plays on special teams for us. I remember him saying he believes he can be a starting linebacker. I know even dominant special teamers don't always translate to regular positional players, but I had to look into this guys past to see if he might be a diamond in the rough for us.

    Here is one quote of when he was coming out of college:

    Jones’ measurements are insane. The 6-foot-1, 235 pound linebacker is an absolute freak athlete. Had Jones posted these numbers at the combine, he would have had the 2nd-best 40-yard dash (just .03 seconds behind Jabrill Peppers), the 5th-best vertical jump, 7th-best broad jump, 4th-best 3-cone drill, 5th-best 20-yard shuffle and 3rd-best 60-yard shuffle. This is only among linebackers of course, but it’s still a pool of 29 elite players who were invited to the combine. He’s a top-tier athlete, there’s no doubt about that. Ridiculously, his 40 time is the just .01 seconds short of Christan McCaffrey, the same as Dalvin Cook and better than Leonard Fournette.

    https://www.insidenu.com/2017/4/26/1...anthony-walker

    On his Wikipedia it states:

    Jones accepted a football scholarship from Northwestern University. He was converted into a linebacker as a freshman and had only 6 tackles after his first 2 seasons, playing almost exclusively on special teams. As a junior, he appeared in 13 games, making 18 tackles (14 solo) and one sack.

    He became a starter at linebacker as a fifth year senior, playing most of the season with a broken right thumb and his hand and wrist in a cast. He appeared in 13 games (5 starts), while posting 43 tackles, 2 sacks, 2 passes defensed, 3.5 tackles for loss and one fumble recovery. He finished his college career after appearing in 37 games (5 starts), recording 70 tackles (44 solo), 3 sacks, 2 passes defensed and one fumble recovery.

    So he only started linebacker really his last year in college and did this with a broken thumb.

    He got married in college and had a daughter. He was working 3 part time jobs to support them during the offseason. This man is motivated to try and put bread on the table for his family.

    He is listed as an inside linebacker. With his speed and measurables along with the ferocity he has played special teams for us, could he be that sideline to sideline linebacker we desperately need on the inside?
    "He's going to be the #1 receiver, and is going to be a star in this league for a long time" Todd Mcshay on Jerry Jeudy

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    Originally posted by MarshallMoss View Post
    One guy who caught my eye a lot last year for us was Joseph Jones. He flat out made plays on special teams for us. I remember him saying he believes he can be a starting linebacker. I know even dominant special teamers don't always translate to regular positional players, but I had to look into this guys past to see if he might be a diamond in the rough for us.

    Here is one quote of when he was coming out of college:

    Jones’ measurements are insane. The 6-foot-1, 235 pound linebacker is an absolute freak athlete. Had Jones posted these numbers at the combine, he would have had the 2nd-best 40-yard dash (just .03 seconds behind Jabrill Peppers), the 5th-best vertical jump, 7th-best broad jump, 4th-best 3-cone drill, 5th-best 20-yard shuffle and 3rd-best 60-yard shuffle. This is only among linebackers of course, but it’s still a pool of 29 elite players who were invited to the combine. He’s a top-tier athlete, there’s no doubt about that. Ridiculously, his 40 time is the just .01 seconds short of Christan McCaffrey, the same as Dalvin Cook and better than Leonard Fournette.

    https://www.insidenu.com/2017/4/26/1...anthony-walker

    On his Wikipedia it states:

    Jones accepted a football scholarship from Northwestern University. He was converted into a linebacker as a freshman and had only 6 tackles after his first 2 seasons, playing almost exclusively on special teams. As a junior, he appeared in 13 games, making 18 tackles (14 solo) and one sack.

    He became a starter at linebacker as a fifth year senior, playing most of the season with a broken right thumb and his hand and wrist in a cast. He appeared in 13 games (5 starts), while posting 43 tackles, 2 sacks, 2 passes defensed, 3.5 tackles for loss and one fumble recovery. He finished his college career after appearing in 37 games (5 starts), recording 70 tackles (44 solo), 3 sacks, 2 passes defensed and one fumble recovery.

    So he only started linebacker really his last year in college and did this with a broken thumb.

    He got married in college and had a daughter. He was working 3 part time jobs to support them during the offseason. This man is motivated to try and put bread on the table for his family.

    He is listed as an inside linebacker. With his speed and measurables along with the ferocity he has played special teams for us, could he be that sideline to sideline linebacker we desperately need on the inside?
    Man do I hope someone emerges to take a starting gig away from Todd Davis. Jones has potential but I gotta wonder why he never really produced at the position. He may be lacking instincts, which I believe is what dampers Davis' performance. There are "freak" athletes fighting for roster spots all over the league, you have to have instincts to play ILB and do it effectively. Maybe Fangio will find a gem in our group, maybe it's Jones, who knows?

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    • #3
      Todd Davis is our starter because he gets the job done. He is not a freak athlete, he is not fast. He tackles and is a team leading tackler to boot. Maybe the new scheme will fit him better ? Lets let the coaches coach and let the scheme work it's purpose. We didn't pick up any ILB draft picks for a reason. I trust the management.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by skeeter01 View Post
        Todd Davis is our starter because he gets the job done. He is not a freak athlete, he is not fast. He tackles and is a team leading tackler to boot. Maybe the new scheme will fit him better ? Lets let the coaches coach and let the scheme work it's purpose. We didn't pick up any ILB draft picks for a reason. I trust the management.
        I get what you are saying and I do trust the management as well. Time will tell if Davis is a good fit for Fangio. I just feel that both Davis and Jewell are kind of similar, both lacking that sideline to sideline speed Fangio seems to covet.

        We did pick Justin Hollins and during Fangio/Elway interviews they said they may try him inside as he played there a bit in college.

        If they are willing to give Hollins a shot, you think Jones would be in the mix as well.
        "He's going to be the #1 receiver, and is going to be a star in this league for a long time" Todd Mcshay on Jerry Jeudy

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        • #5
          Originally posted by KWHIT97 View Post
          Man do I hope someone emerges to take a starting gig away from Todd Davis. Jones has potential but I gotta wonder why he never really produced at the position. He may be lacking instincts, which I believe is what dampers Davis' performance. There are "freak" athletes fighting for roster spots all over the league, you have to have instincts to play ILB and do it effectively. Maybe Fangio will find a gem in our group, maybe it's Jones, who knows?
          Good points. Hopefully a Fangio system lends well to releasing split second instinct with some of our freak athletes.
          "He's going to be the #1 receiver, and is going to be a star in this league for a long time" Todd Mcshay on Jerry Jeudy

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          • #6
            Originally posted by MarshallMoss View Post
            Good points. Hopefully a Fangio system lends well to releasing split second instinct with some of our freak athletes.
            If it's one-gap run D, it probably will.
            "Stultum est timere quod vitare non potes." ~ Publilius Syrus

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            • #7
              People very often focus WAY too much on raw athletic ability and not enough on character, dedication, and football intelligence. Paxton Lynch is a prime example. There were people here constantly going gaga over his arm and mobility, and forgetting the other things a player MUST have to be a good QB.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by RobertR View Post
                People very often focus WAY too much on raw athletic ability and not enough on character, dedication, and football intelligence. Paxton Lynch is a prime example. There were people here constantly going gaga over his arm and mobility, and forgetting the other things a player MUST have to be a good QB.
                I would agree with that but even with the mental game sharpened to a point 100% of the time if you're just a slow guy you're still gonna get beat by a faster guy who works as hard as you do on their craft. For example T.Davis looks to be a pretty decent player. When it comes time to cover players like RBs and TEs he struggles.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Rich_C View Post
                  I would agree with that but even with the mental game sharpened to a point 100% of the time if you're just a slow guy you're still gonna get beat by a faster guy who works as hard as you do on their craft. For example T.Davis looks to be a pretty decent player. When it comes time to cover players like RBs and TEs he struggles.
                  A player obviously has to have very good athletic ability to be in the NFL. I was just commenting on the all too common tendency to go gaga over a player because he's a "freak athlete", as if that's the be all and end all of NFL success. No it isn't.

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                  • #10
                    As an inside linebacker, vision and instincts are crucial. No sense in having a 4.1 40 yd, if your accelerating to the wrong spots. I cross my fingers but we shall see.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by RobertR View Post
                      A player obviously has to have very good athletic ability to be in the NFL. I was just commenting on the all too common tendency to go gaga over a player because he's a "freak athlete", as if that's the be all and end all of NFL success. No it isn't.
                      You bring up a great point. The Raiders have drafted some phenomenal athletes that weren't NFL football skill good enough, regardless of speed. If DK Metcalf could run routes and catch like Steve Largent he would be the best WR potentially ever. Everyone who plays in the NFL is a phenomenal athlete. The football skills for each position is what separates the good from the great.

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                      • #12
                        Justin Hollins

                        Do we know if he is going to play outside or inside yet? Or a combination?
                        Denver Broncos Fan from UK

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                        • #13
                          It would seem he spent OTAs and minicamp getting reps at both positions as well as special teams. Too early to say whether he will be more ILB or OLB going forward.

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                          • #14
                            Hard to say at this point. It is way too early to know. I am hoping he can seriously compete at ILB, he has the size to be a force there, possibly in coverage too. I suspect nobody will know for sure until mid-season or even next season. I think this is an experiment at this point, I hope it works out for him and the Broncos.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by brianmcfarlane View Post
                              Hard to say at this point. It is way too early to know. I am hoping he can seriously compete at ILB, he has the size to be a force there, possibly in coverage too. I suspect nobody will know for sure until mid-season or even next season. I think this is an experiment at this point, I hope it works out for him and the Broncos.
                              Yeah, this is what I was thinking. I was hoping we would draft an ILB, as I think we need an upgrade there, but I watched some highlights of him at MLB and thought he could develop into a good player for us there.
                              Denver Broncos Fan from UK

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