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  • Fantaztic7
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    Originally posted by beastlyskronk View Post
    Yeah that pass to Fant was bad IMO. If that’s out in front of him it’s likely a 3rd and manageable situation if not a TD, if Fant didn’t stop that lands right in the defenders chest. That being said Fant is playing slow right now. His routes aren’t very crisp and there’s very little nuance to how he’s running them. TEs usually take a bit of time to develop due to how much they’re asked to do but he should reach out to Shannon Sharpe for some pointers on route running. In the meantime we’re going to have let him run a lot of crossers, drags, and streaks just so he doesn’t have to cut and it can be a straight up foot race with the defender.
    Fant might be thinking too much about the play and route, or a bit hesitant. That was a problem with Cody Latimer. He played great on ST because coverage didn’t require the same level of knowledge as the playbook. Now that he’s had a few years in the league he can play without thinking too much. It might take Fant some time (hopefully not too much time).

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  • duhyaj
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    Originally posted by Butler By'Note View Post
    How many 3 TE sets have we seen in the preseason? How many times have we seen an extra lineman come in? How many times have we seen a true short yardage look?

    They're not running their Red Zone or short yardage offense yet. Teams save that for the regular season. So I really wouldn't worry about being predictable or not being able to block well enough in those situations yet. Denver hasn't sold out to get something. When they do the defense has to counter and that opens up other things. Right now it's regular O v regular D.
    I agree with you on this, I feel like in these games they are really just putting a hat on a hat, and seeing who wins their individual battles. Running backs hit the hole you are told to hit, receivers run the vanilla routes, sanders let's see how well you can run after injury, and such.

    If they are not changing things up by the first real game, then we got issues....

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  • DENVERSB50CHAMP
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    Originally posted by Broncos-R-Great View Post
    It’s still early and all, but it’s hard not to notice how much the offense still looks like the last couple years.

    It’s not going to matter how good the defense is if the offense can’t score points.

    I kind of feel the same way like I have hopes that is offense will be better than last year however what I am seeing so far is down right dreadful. I am having flashbacks of Case's Offense all over again and that last year was downright miserable. What I would like to see is the offense get rid of of those stupid WR screens as the Defense now tee's off on these as I see it the WR screen was so 2012-2013 we have used it all up and Defense's now are Trained for it as they have been since Denver used it back in 12-13. I would like to see the WR's actually run routes like 10 Yard Curls 10 Yard Digs Route Running I think needs to be addressed. I hope that I am wrong however based off the last 2 games yes I know they are preseason games however I am seeing the same ole from this offense and if it cannot get on track 6-10 here we come again. I sure hope that I am wrong.

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  • WYBRONCO
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    Originally posted by Butler By'Note View Post
    How many 3 TE sets have we seen in the preseason? How many times have we seen an extra lineman come in? How many times have we seen a true short yardage look?

    They're not running their Red Zone or short yardage offense yet. Teams save that for the regular season. So I really wouldn't worry about being predictable or not being able to block well enough in those situations yet. Denver hasn't sold out to get something. When they do the defense has to counter and that opens up other things. Right now it's regular O v regular D.
    Excellent points. I hope to see some of those looks in the regular season. We have too much talent to be kicking field goals all game.

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  • Butler By'Note
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    Originally posted by WYBRONCO View Post
    Our red zone offense looks "offensive" right now, and not in a good way. Our run blocking inside the 20 yd line awful, which makes us very predictable. As for Bolles, his reputation precedes him. That holding penalty was kind of holding but I have seen way, way worse from him.
    How many 3 TE sets have we seen in the preseason? How many times have we seen an extra lineman come in? How many times have we seen a true short yardage look?

    They're not running their Red Zone or short yardage offense yet. Teams save that for the regular season. So I really wouldn't worry about being predictable or not being able to block well enough in those situations yet. Denver hasn't sold out to get something. When they do the defense has to counter and that opens up other things. Right now it's regular O v regular D.

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  • Broncos-R-Great
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    It’s still early and all, but it’s hard not to notice how much the offense still looks like the last couple years.

    It’s not going to matter how good the defense is if the offense can’t score points.

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  • WYBRONCO
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    Our red zone offense looks "offensive" right now, and not in a good way. Our run blocking inside the 20 yd line awful, which makes us very predictable. As for Bolles, his reputation precedes him. That holding penalty was kind of holding but I have seen way, way worse from him.

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  • Rastic
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    Originally posted by skeeter01 View Post
    So what I get out of that article is....Chubb is going to be in the running for Defensive Player of the year......and Bolles will be..... well, Bolles
    Chubb looked dominate last night, so even if he isn't DPOY QBs and OCs will have to know where he is whenever he's on the field.

    Bolles... sigh... he's only been in Scangarello's offense and coached by Munchak for a short time. I don't expect a lot from him anymore but hope he might become more disciplined. He hasn't looked good or like he's improved so it could be a long season. Unfortunately the depth behind him looks worse

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  • skeeter01
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    Originally posted by Rastic View Post
    So what I get out of that article is....Chubb is going to be in the running for Defensive Player of the year......and Bolles will be..... well, Bolles

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  • beastlyskronk
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    Originally posted by Fantaztic7 View Post
    Agree. Would add timing as part of chemistry. On 2nd down Flacco’s pass to Fant wasn’t bad but just a bit inside vs leading him. Just a tweak on that pass and it’s 3rd and 1-2 yards. On the next play to the corner of the end zone, Booker was out in the flat and I think he makes a TD with blockers in front - they should see that in film and Flacco might look to that side next time they run that play. Going back to the pass to Fant, if you make that there’s a good chance to pickup a 1st down.

    I do think it will be important to punch one in next Saturday to build confidence.
    Yeah that pass to Fant was bad IMO. If that’s out in front of him it’s likely a 3rd and manageable situation if not a TD, if Fant didn’t stop that lands right in the defenders chest. That being said Fant is playing slow right now. His routes aren’t very crisp and there’s very little nuance to how he’s running them. TEs usually take a bit of time to develop due to how much they’re asked to do but he should reach out to Shannon Sharpe for some pointers on route running. In the meantime we’re going to have let him run a lot of crossers, drags, and streaks just so he doesn’t have to cut and it can be a straight up foot race with the defender.

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  • bfallona
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    While not one to panic, I just hope we are trying to surprise some teams in the season with our offense. So far & I've been to camp, our TE & recievers have been underwhelming ( except Sanders as usual) along with our O Line.

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  • DENVERSB50CHAMP
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    Thank You 2 all who has provided a bit of light on this Subject.

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  • Fantaztic7
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    Originally posted by beastlyskronk View Post
    A lot of red zone success comes down to chemistry and line play. The line has to create some running lanes or give a QB time to find a window. QB has to know his targets very well due to limited space and limited time to throw.

    Sutton and Fant will be jump ball threats but Sanders from the slot and possibly the backfield may be our best option.
    Agree. Would add timing as part of chemistry. On 2nd down Flacco’s pass to Fant wasn’t bad but just a bit inside vs leading him. Just a tweak on that pass and it’s 3rd and 1-2 yards. On the next play to the corner of the end zone, Booker was out in the flat and I think he makes a TD with blockers in front - they should see that in film and Flacco might look to that side next time they run that play. Going back to the pass to Fant, if you make that there’s a good chance to pickup a 1st down.

    I do think it will be important to punch one in next Saturday to build confidence.
    Last edited by Fantaztic7; 08-19-2019, 09:26 PM.

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  • beastlyskronk
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    A lot of red zone success comes down to chemistry and line play. The line has to create some running lanes or give a QB time to find a window. QB has to know his targets very well due to limited space and limited time to throw.

    Sutton and Fant will be jump ball threats but Sanders from the slot and possibly the backfield may be our best option.

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  • Rastic
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    Good article.

    https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2019/8/...-practice-lies

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