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  • Fantaztic7
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    Originally posted by 58Miller View Post
    I’ve been very clear I want Lock as this teams Qb. I’ve seen enough of Flacco.
    I want him to be comfortable running the offense. I don’t think any QB is ever really ready but he hasn’t been able to grip or throw a ball for 6 weeks.

    Wilkinson was allowing his guy a free run at the qb, he can’t play tackle in this league ( he is a guard)
    Leary and Bolles have to hold to much.

    McGovern is not an nfl center ( maybe guard)

    Risner has played good.

    James - I need to see him play.

    I want is to get a legit center and Right tackle
    I’d like to see Wilkinson or McGovern move to right guard
    James is like to see at left tackle because he is not strong in the run game.
    This is inaccurate. Before the Chargers game Lock did some throwing work on the field, the the first time he had thrown in pregame since his injury in August. The week before the game vs KC Lock said it felt great to throw and he has not had a splint on his right hand and wrist for two weeks.

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  • 58Miller
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    Originally posted by TheAsianPA View Post
    Look. It will be foolish to enter into next season with Lock having zero snaps. Yes, the O-line is bad. However, that is something Lock will have to overcome if he wants to be the starter. He has the mobility and ability to do so, he's shown as much at Missouri, where he did not have a good team around him either.

    Next season we will likely spend at least two top picks on offensive linemen if Lock shows any sort of promise. But if we don't play Lock at all, how are we supposed to know if he's someone worth building around?

    As far as Flacco goes, Elway knows without a shadow of a doubt that this season is done and Flacco isn't part of the future. There isn't a scenario in my mind where he doesn't start Lock soon.
    I agree, I think he should get some games this year. I don’t think he is ready yet.

    As far as the oline, I’m fine moving Wilkinson to right guard and drafting or signing a free agent at C and T.

    I agree Flacco has held the ball to long at times but tue oline was still getting beat bad, and where were they in the run game?

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  • TheAsianPA
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    Originally posted by 58Miller View Post
    So next season will go with this same oline?

    Elway hasn’t told Lock to be ready week 10
    Look. It will be foolish to enter into next season with Lock having zero snaps. Yes, the O-line is bad. However, that is something Lock will have to overcome if he wants to be the starter. He has the mobility and ability to do so, he's shown as much at Missouri, where he did not have a good team around him either.

    Next season we will likely spend at least two top picks on offensive linemen if Lock shows any sort of promise. But if we don't play Lock at all, how are we supposed to know if he's someone worth building around?

    As far as Flacco goes, Elway knows without a shadow of a doubt that this season is done and Flacco isn't part of the future. There isn't a scenario in my mind where he doesn't start Lock soon.
    Last edited by TheAsianPA; 10-20-2019, 05:33 PM.

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  • 58Miller
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    Originally posted by TheAsianPA View Post
    None of those offensive line moves are going to happen. At this point in time more shuffling around is likely to make the line even worse than it already is. James coming back is the only change that we should factor in.

    Lock isn't going to be playing against the Colts next week. He'd have 2 weeks to practice with this team, likely the ones, before being the starter, which would be week 10 against the Browns. He has been practicing with his own private coach since week 3. There isn't a magic practice number of weeks before someone is ready to play, and likely even then Lock is going to have to work with the Broncos' timeline rather than his own. I wouldn't be surprised if Elway has already told him to be prepared for week 10.
    So next season will go with this same oline?

    Elway hasn’t told Lock to be ready week 10

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  • TheAsianPA
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    Originally posted by 58Miller View Post
    I’ve been very clear I want Lock as this teams Qb. I’ve seen enough of Flacco.
    I want him to be comfortable running the offense. I don’t think any QB is ever really ready but he hasn’t been able to grip or throw a ball for 6 weeks.

    Wilkinson was allowing his guy a free run at the qb, he can’t play tackle in this league ( he is a guard)
    Leary and Bolles have to hold to much.

    McGovern is not an nfl center ( maybe guard)

    Risner has played good.

    James - I need to see him play.

    I want is to get a legit center and Right tackle
    I’d like to see Wilkinson or McGovern move to right guard
    James is like to see at left tackle because he is not strong in the run game.
    None of those offensive line moves are going to happen. At this point in time more shuffling around is likely to make the line even worse than it already is. James coming back is the only change that we should factor in.

    Lock isn't going to be playing against the Colts next week. He'd have 2 weeks to practice with this team, likely the ones, before being the starter, which would be week 10 against the Browns. He has been practicing with his own private coach since week 3. There isn't a magic practice number of weeks before someone is ready to play, and likely even then Lock is going to have to work with the Broncos' timeline rather than his own. I wouldn't be surprised if Elway has already told him to be prepared for week 10.

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  • 58Miller
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    Originally posted by Ear2dastreets View Post
    That's your take on it. And please tell me how does he know the offense. Does he not have a playbook, is he not in film study, is he not studying with his 100% thumb.

    You feel we have no line. You just want flacco to stay at qb be he wont. So it is what it is. You want to have the perfect for lock. News flash it ain't gonna happen. He should just hold the clip board for the next 3 or 4 years.
    I’ve been very clear I want Lock as this teams Qb. I’ve seen enough of Flacco.
    I want him to be comfortable running the offense. I don’t think any QB is ever really ready but he hasn’t been able to grip or throw a ball for 6 weeks.

    Wilkinson was allowing his guy a free run at the qb, he can’t play tackle in this league ( he is a guard)
    Leary and Bolles have to hold to much.

    McGovern is not an nfl center ( maybe guard)

    Risner has played good.

    James - I need to see him play.

    I want is to get a legit center and Right tackle
    I’d like to see Wilkinson or McGovern move to right guard
    James is like to see at left tackle because he is not strong in the run game.

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  • TheAsianPA
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    I'm under the impression a more mobile QB will help our team tremendously as well. With James hopefully coming back next week, we can start to see a better O-line appear. But otherwise it's foolish to assume Flacco has nothing to do with the poor offensive production.

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  • Ear2dastreets
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    Originally posted by 58Miller View Post
    No olineman and wants to put a Qb in who hasn’t practiced all year. Doesn’t need to know the offense, just get him out there to and see if he’s a bust, and the New NFL players are what they are gonna be after 7 games.
    No thanks.
    That's your take on it. And please tell me how does he know the offense. Does he not have a playbook, is he not in film study, is he not studying with his 100% thumb.

    You feel we have no line. You just want flacco to stay at qb be he wont. So it is what it is. You want to have the perfect for lock. News flash it ain't gonna happen. He should just hold the clip board for the next 3 or 4 years.

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  • Ear2dastreets
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    Originally posted by mozzerpete View Post
    So the status quo?

    Gee, "I'm glad you're not the GM."
    Likewise. So there you have it.

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  • Ear2dastreets
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    Originally posted by 58Miller View Post
    So what would you do about our oline ?
    Get a qb. Our line is not as bad some some may think
    Just bc flacco was sacked 9 times on thurs doesn't mean it's all the lines fault.

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  • Ear2dastreets
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    Originally posted by 58Miller View Post
    I was commenting on this years Draft.


    You said this above and that included my comment about the Chargers giving up on Brees.
    I will skip over this bc u are bot making sense.

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  • Ear2dastreets
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    Originally posted by 58Miller View Post
    Are you saying QBs now play out the gun all the sudden?
    Most of Peyton’s career was out of the gun!
    The patriots ran the ball and played d and won 13-3 in the Super Bowl, that’s not the new NFL
    And a 40 year old Ab still dominating the league.
    When u are in the gun dont you spread the def out yes or no. Elway doesn't want that he wants to take snaps from under the center. What are you talking about?

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  • TheAsianPA
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    Originally posted by JW7 View Post
    Yeah, we are spoiled. You can still admit that and still want the best for the team. Impressive essay btw.
    He wrote what was true. This current state is unacceptable. Things cannot really go worse than they are now for this team.

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  • dizzolve
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    Originally posted by Sam_Z View Post
    Not to get off track, but I find it funny how Wade helped Von Miller earn super bowl MVP then fast forward a few years later and holds New England to very points in a super bowl while helping Donald to get 20 sacks as a DT yet John still does very little research when finding coaches.

    Vic Fangio is s very good coach but perhaps he isn’t great.

    Oh yeah, for anyone who believes Suh’a presence got Donald those sacks is Delusional and very dishonest with themselves.
    It occurs to me (and it's still quite early and I haven't looked through his history) but at least as it pertains to the Broncos -so far ...

    ... Fangio seems to be all about the back end and everything else is geared toward the secondary being the sharks of his teams. I don't know what's going on with Von. It sure would help if he had help in the middle of the line like he ad with Wade up to 15ish. Personally I would like to see more stunts from our line. More blitzing in general. Instead Fangio seems to play conservative shell-ish. He seems reluctant to be heavy at the LOS with an extra guy or 3.

    Any idea if his past shows any of this?

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  • 58Miller
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    Originally posted by mozzerpete View Post
    So the status quo?

    Gee, "I'm glad you're not the GM."
    No olineman and wants to put a Qb in who hasn’t practiced all year. Doesn’t need to know the offense, just get him out there to and see if he’s a bust, and the New NFL players are what they are gonna be after 7 games.
    No thanks.

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