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  • RocketArm006
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    Originally posted by CanDB View Post
    I see your side on this.

    I've seen rebuilds that win over fanbases, tired of their losing ways. But what you need to do is give fans a glimpse of what can be, including some dynamic young players. In many sports, in many cities, I've witnessed fans go from one stage to another, when they come off a nice high with a winning roster. First it hurts, because you immediately miss the thrill of being a contender. And you crave that.

    So if an organization wants to ease the blow of some sort of rebuild, you promote some instant fan favs, young players who look the part of winners, and will not be satisfied with less. Once fans recognize that though the end has come with one team era, a really nice one might be starting up again. They are drawn to youthful energy and positivity.

    Now, given it does not all happen overnight, as long as a team has these young guns in the group, and if the team talks about finding more young stars, complemented by vets who bring stability, mentorship and loads of energy as well, fans typically buy in.

    It's not so much as they accept that the end has come, but they respect the new direction taken. And they know there will be some bumps, but plenty of new reasons to get excited, and new players they embrace.

    There is no easy way to say goodbye to a winning team....but you can soften the blow by rebuilding with quality, likable, positive players.....players who expect to win championships.
    Totally agree. Good news is we do have some exciting young players, especially on offense. Lindsay, Sutton, Freeman and Risner specifically. Speaking only for myself, I would be willing to endure a losing season with these guys and a young QB because it will be more enjoyable to watch a young, exciting team grow. I admit I’m very tired of the bridge QB approach.

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  • CanDB
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    Originally posted by RocketArm006 View Post
    If you’re in full rebuild mode with a young QB, I think it calms the fan base more because they EXPECT a rebuild with a young QB. I don’t think most rational fans would expect an instant turn around because the team is in rebuild mode. Of course there’s always people who won’t be satisfied with anything short of a SB. Who cares.

    The problem that exists right now is the fan base has been sold on the idea that this team is playoff caliber and we’re just a couple FAs away from contention.

    IMO, this team is already in a state of rebuild, it’s just that the FO has not admitted or committed to an actual rebuild. Time to admit to the fan base that this is a rebuild team and we need to commit and rebuild around around a young franchise QB. We need to stop this bridge QB philosophy. Time to commit.
    I see your side on this. And yes, the first step to a nice recovery is acceptance.

    I've seen rebuilds that win over fanbases, tired of their losing ways. But what you need to do is give fans a glimpse of what can be, including some dynamic young players. In many sports, in many cities, I've witnessed fans go from one stage to another, when they come off a nice high with a winning roster. First it hurts, because you immediately miss the thrill of being a contender. And you crave that.

    So if an organization wants to ease the blow of some sort of rebuild, you promote some instant fan favs, young players who look the part of winners, and will not be satisfied with less. Once fans recognize that though the end has come with one team era, a really nice one might be starting up again. They are drawn to youthful energy and positivity.

    Now, given it does not all happen overnight, as long as a team has these young guns in the group, and if the team talks about finding more young stars, complemented by vets who bring stability, mentorship and loads of energy as well, fans typically buy in.

    It's not so much as they accept that the end has come, but they respect the new direction taken. And they know there will be some bumps, but plenty of new reasons to get excited, and new players they embrace.

    There is no easy way to say goodbye to a winning team....but you can soften the blow by rebuilding with quality, likable, positive players.....players who expect to win championships.
    Last edited by CanDB; 10-05-2019, 10:46 AM.

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  • RocketArm006
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    Originally posted by chessic View Post
    If we go to total rebuild mode, people on the forums are still going to freak out at every loss (and there will be many) and claim the sky is falling and the new players and coaches and gm are even worse than before. There is no patience here.
    If you’re in full rebuild mode with a young QB, I think it calms the fan base more because they EXPECT a rebuild with a young QB. I don’t think most rational fans would expect an instant turn around because the team is in rebuild mode. Of course there’s always people who won’t be satisfied with anything short of a SB. Who cares.

    The problem that exists right now is the fan base has been sold on the idea that this team is playoff caliber and we’re just a couple FAs away from contention.

    IMO, this team is already in a state of rebuild, it’s just that the FO has not admitted or committed to an actual rebuild. Time to admit to the fan base that this is a rebuild team and we need to commit and rebuild around around a young franchise QB. We need to stop this bridge QB philosophy. Time to commit.

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  • KWHIT97
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    John is signed through 2020 I believe. Let him see it through if you ask me. No matter our feelings of him we need to see what Drew Lock has. We have had back to back promising draft classes and will have some cap space to work with. Trade Harris and Sanders for 2020 picks. See if John can throw together another good draft. Try and get an extra 1st in 2021 so if Lock doesn’t work out we can go hard after Fields or Lawrence as the face of our franchise.
    I say Elway and Fangio get the rest of this year and all of next year. If this team isn’t trending hard in the right direction towards the end of 2020 cut ties and go HARD after Ryan Day and Justin Fields from Ohio St. and get a real GM.

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  • Papa-pwn
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    Originally posted by chessic View Post
    If we go to total rebuild mode, people on the forums are still going to freak out at every loss (and there will be many) and claim the sky is falling and the new players and coaches and gm are even worse than before. There is no patience here.
    Sure, but isn't that irrelevant? It's for the good of the team, who cares if there are some dissenters. Treading water between 4 and 9 wins from 2016-2019 is enough for me.
    Last edited by Papa-pwn; 10-05-2019, 06:42 AM.

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  • chessic
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    If we go to total rebuild mode, people on the forums are still going to freak out at every loss (and there will be many) and claim the sky is falling and the new players and coaches and gm are even worse than before. There is no patience here.

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  • Ondavi
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    . . . that's this SUNDAY, sorry. . .

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  • Ondavi
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    Are seatbelts fastened and ready for another unpleasant loss this Subway @ the Stub Hub Stadium, is it still called? Any other predictions, please?

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  • Ondavi
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    Mr. Humbert, the "first check is in the mail". . . . what was your correct accounts receivable address, again, please? Have a pleasant evening!

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  • Humberg
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    Originally posted by Ondavi View Post
    It is encouraging to see that more and more fans and supporters of the Denver Broncos, which have been so deeply loyal and dedicated to Mr. John Elway are finally recognizing that he is a detriment to the organization, and has been so for some time now. For me, the blaring moment of truth and realization of this was the hiring of Vance Joseph, a coach that had horribly insufficient experience in coaching, both within the N.F.L. and otherwise. He was hired for the wrong reasons, and largely due to economics, relative to other, more experienced coaches, and certainly head coaches in the league. Greed played a role in this decision, and it continues to do so presently. It is very hard to walk
    away from the amount of money that John Elway is being paid in his position with the Denver Broncos. It is difficult to understand how he can be comfortable with himself and obtain quality sleep at night with the growing criticisms and unrest with each week's continued consecutive losses, soon to become some kind of record. I hate to see his reputation of enormous accomplishments during his lengthy relationship with the Broncos becoming tainted and tarnished due to his stubborn and greedy decision to remain in his current position and continue to perform poorly in it as the losses mount. How much money will be "enough?"
    I agree completely. I also think you've raised a very astute question. How much money is enough? Why don't you start sending me some and I'll let you know when I have an answer? Thanks!

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  • Ondavi
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    It is encouraging to see that more and more fans and supporters of the Denver Broncos, which have been so deeply loyal and dedicated to Mr. John Elway are finally recognizing that he is a detriment to the organization, and has been so for some time now. For me, the blaring moment of truth and realization of this was the hiring of Vance Joseph, a coach that had horribly insufficient experience in coaching, both within the N.F.L. and otherwise. He was hired for the wrong reasons, and largely due to economics, relative to other, more experienced coaches, and certainly head coaches in the league. Greed played a role in this decision, and it continues to do so presently. It is very hard to walk
    away from the amount of money that John Elway is being paid in his position with the Denver Broncos. It is difficult to understand how he can be comfortable with himself and obtain quality sleep at night with the growing criticisms and unrest with each week's continued consecutive losses, soon to become some kind of record. I hate to see his reputation of enormous accomplishments during his lengthy relationship with the Broncos becoming tainted and tarnished due to his stubborn and greedy decision to remain in his current position and continue to perform poorly in it as the losses mount. How much money will be "enough?"

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  • Fantaztic7
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    Originally posted by Hadez View Post
    Vance had two years of drafting top 5 and top 10

    Only the super hopeful thought we were going to come out this year and be a winning team

    The rebuild has already started just some are just now realizing where we are.
    Extremely poor job of rebuilding when you allow 225 yard rushers in back to back seasons.

    When you transition from 0-4 to end a season to starting 0-4.

    That’s not a rebuild - it’s a pathetic mess created by John Elway.

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  • VikingBronco
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    Originally posted by BroncosDivision View Post
    Until a new owner has been identified, a trust consisting of Richard Slivka, Mary Kelly and Joe Ellis, have complete control of Denver Broncos. So to answer your question, Ellis has the power to do so but again, it's not that simple given Elway's history with the Broncos and the Bowlen family.
    Well, looks like we are in this for the long haul then... Onwards and upwards!

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  • BroncosDivision
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    Originally posted by VikingBronco View Post
    Need some input: Is there any chance that the current ownership will part ways with Elway, or are we stuck with him because no one else has much of a say?
    Until a new owner has been identified, a trust consisting of Richard Slivka, Mary Kelly and Joe Ellis, have complete control of Denver Broncos. So to answer your question, Ellis has the power to do so but again, it's not that simple given Elway's history with the Broncos and the Bowlen family.

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  • GiddyupGetEm
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    Originally posted by BroncosDivision View Post
    Good luck with that.

    Some around here will never admit to anything that could tarnish Elway's reputation as a GM, which is silly seeing as it's already pretty damn bad if you're to go by what's been said by fans of other teams for the past few seasons.
    You are right. That is why I have engaged in a community awareness campaign to help Bronco fans see the truth about our current GM’s failures.

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