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  • Sam_Z
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    Originally posted by mozzerpete View Post
    Carried away...How?
    By comparing Shanahan's GM win/loss record and subsequent firing to Elway's current GM career?
    You seem triggered.



    So...Shanahan by default is a better GM due to RG3's dad and Snyder
    who gave Shanahan final say in everything.

    Can you see how you just weakened your original point
    by making excuses?
    Someone could easily make excuses for Elway.

    You take Shanahan and I will take Elway without excuses.
    Oh wow what a way to whine! Lol

    I’m stating facts dude, Shanahan was greatly distracted and it could’ve happened to anyone of us anywhere.

    That’s fine you take Elway, I have no beef nor care but DONT get your feelings hurt because I don’t like Elway as a GM as much as I like Shanahan.

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  • RobertR
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    Originally posted by mozzerpete View Post
    If Tebow remained in Denver and Elway was all in on him,
    then odds are the Broncos would not have "drafted a QB the following year."

    There's a part of me that feels Tebow and Miller could have beat the Panthers too.

    (That's the conjecture part because we will never know.)
    What other team in the NFL thought Tebow was good enough to win a Super Bowl with a great defense? What other team thought Tebow was good enough to even start? Answer: NONE. That is NOT conjecture. Neither is it conjecture that Tebow was never able to prove that the evaluation of him was wrong.

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  • mozzerpete
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    Originally posted by RobertR View Post
    It's not conjecture that Tebow never started again and wound up out of the league, while Manning wears a ring and is headed to the Hall of Fame.
    If Tebow remained in Denver and Elway was all in on him,
    then odds are the Broncos would not have "drafted a QB the following year."

    There's a part of me that feels Tebow and Miller could have beat the Panthers too.

    (That's the conjecture part because we will never know.)

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  • Ondavi
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    Capt.Jack, I've been thinking about your statement that "Elway is basically the bedrock of the team," and what keeps coming to mind is Fred Flintstone and Barney Rubble. . .

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  • mozzerpete
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    Originally posted by BigSkyBronco View Post
    Ummm, you might not want to get too carried away on Elway. Seems somewhat like a pot/kettle/black situation the past 3 1/4 years to me...

    2016: 9-7
    2017: 5-11
    2018: 6-10
    2019: 0-3
    Carried away...How?
    By comparing Shanahan's GM win/loss record and subsequent firing to Elway's current GM career?
    You seem triggered.

    Originally posted by Sam_Z View Post
    Lol you forget that Shanahan had to deal with RGIII and both of his daddies. Dan Snyder being one of them.

    Didnt RGIIIs Dad actually go to Shanahans house in order to tell him which plays he could call for his son? Lol

    I think that would throw off even Belichick
    So...Shanahan by default is a better GM due to RG3's dad and Snyder
    who gave Shanahan final say in everything.

    Can you see how you just weakened your original point
    by making excuses?
    Someone could easily make excuses for Elway.

    You take Shanahan and I will take Elway without excuses.

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  • mozzerpete
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    Originally posted by GiddyupGetEm View Post
    I don’t mean 70% of Elway’s time necessarily, but 70% of importance. Contracts and capology are minimal labor for a front office. Trades happen randomly. Coaching only comes up every three years or so. During training camp, most of his day is looking at who makes the 53 man roster.

    That leaves college scouting and pro scouting. All personnel staff considered, college scouting might be 80% or more of man-hours across the personnel department. The Broncos have 20 scouts or personnel staff, and just two are solely focused on pro personnel.

    I think that underscores how important those seven rounds are. Far more than college free agents or pro free agents, is what is the core of your team for years to come. It is nearly impossible to succeed without drafting well.
    You went from "70% of a GM's responsibility is drafting"
    to "70% of importance."

    Did you read that number somewhere or make it up?
    You stated it as a fact so just curious.

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  • RobertR
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    Originally posted by mozzerpete View Post
    "No Manning" might be true but Denver's D won that Super Bowl.

    The rest is conjecture.
    It's not conjecture that Tebow never started again and wound up out of the league, while Manning wears a ring and is headed to the Hall of Fame.
    Last edited by RobertR; 09-23-2019, 09:20 PM.

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  • Bronco51
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    Originally posted by mozzerpete View Post
    "No Manning" might be true but Denver's D won that Super Bowl.

    The rest is conjecture.
    No it’s not. Denver doesn’t assemble the defense without Manning. He was the catalyst to go for the gold. And Elway was itching to replace Tebow, if Manning hadn’t chosen Denver, they were definitely going in another direction.

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  • Sam_Z
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    Originally posted by Bronco51 View Post
    No Manning, no Super Bowls. Drafting a QB the next year.
    Brandon weeded, Ryan tannehill, RGIII, Russell Wilson or still Brock Osweiler?
    Last edited by Sam_Z; 09-23-2019, 08:29 PM.

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  • Sam_Z
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    Originally posted by mozzerpete View Post
    Redskins owner Daniel Snyder signed Shanahan to a five-year, $35 million contract
    as Head Coach sharing co-GM duties with Bruce Allen. (Mike had final say)

    Shanahan led the Redskins to the following record:

    (2010) 6 - 10
    (2011) 5 - 11
    (2012) 10 - 6
    (2013) 3 - 13 (Fired on December 30, 2013)
    (2014) Voided

    Meanwhile Elway won another Lombardi in Denver as a GM.

    I'll take Elway.
    Lol you forget that Shanahan had to deal with RGIII and both of his daddies. Dan Snyder being one of them.

    Didnt RGIIIs Dad actually go to Shanahans house in order to tell him which plays he could call for his son? Lol

    I think that would throw off even Belichick

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  • BigSkyBronco
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    Originally posted by mozzerpete View Post
    Redskins owner Daniel Snyder signed Shanahan to a five-year, $35 million contract
    as Head Coach sharing co-GM duties with Bruce Allen. (Mike had final say)

    Shanahan led the Redskins to the following record:

    (2010) 6 - 10
    (2011) 5 - 11
    (2012) 10 - 6
    (2013) 3 - 13 (Fired on December 30, 2013)
    (2014) Voided

    Meanwhile Elway won another Lombardi in Denver as a GM.

    I'll take Elway.
    Ummm, you might not want to get too carried away on Elway. Seems somewhat like a pot/kettle/black situation the past 3 1/4 years to me...

    2016: 9-7
    2017: 5-11
    2018: 6-10
    2019: 0-3

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  • GiddyupGetEm
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    Originally posted by mozzerpete View Post
    Just curious, where did you get "70% of a GM’s job is drafting" ?

    Also, what percent of a GM's job is: Trades, Free Agency, Contracts, Coaching Staff, etc.?
    I don’t mean 70% of Elway’s time necessarily, but 70% of importance. Contracts and capology are minimal labor for a front office. Trades happen randomly. Coaching only comes up every three years or so. During training camp, most of his day is looking at who makes the 53 man roster.

    That leaves college scouting and pro scouting. All personnel staff considered, college scouting might be 80% or more of man-hours across the personnel department. The Broncos have 20 scouts or personnel staff, and just two are solely focused on pro personnel.

    I think that underscores how important those seven rounds are. Far more than college free agents or pro free agents, is what is the core of your team for years to come. It is nearly impossible to succeed without drafting well.
    Last edited by GiddyupGetEm; 09-23-2019, 08:06 PM.

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  • mozzerpete
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    Originally posted by Bronco51 View Post
    No Manning, no Super Bowls. Drafting a QB the next year.
    "No Manning" might be true but Denver's D won that Super Bowl.

    The rest is conjecture.

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  • Bronco51
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    Originally posted by mozzerpete View Post
    (Since you mentioned Tebow)
    Tebow was good enough to lead the Broncos to the playoffs and defeat the Steelers in 2011.
    I wonder what would have been Denver's fate if Tebow continued at the helm for the Broncos.
    No Manning, no Super Bowls. Drafting a QB the next year.

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  • mozzerpete
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    Originally posted by rst08tierney View Post
    ill say this right now and its SAD.

    Shanahan was a better GM then John.

    Please feel free to prove me wrong.
    Redskins owner Daniel Snyder signed Shanahan to a five-year, $35 million contract
    as Head Coach sharing co-GM duties with Bruce Allen. (Mike had final say)

    Shanahan led the Redskins to the following record:

    (2010) 6 - 10
    (2011) 5 - 11
    (2012) 10 - 6
    (2013) 3 - 13 (Fired on December 30, 2013)
    (2014) Voided

    Meanwhile Elway won another Lombardi in Denver as a GM.

    I'll take Elway.

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