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Originally posted by jflee66 View PostI disagree. The Broncos for decades have hit and missed on their top draft picks and so does every other team in the NFL. The loss of all-pro free agents and the lack of an elite QB, is the main factor in these particular seasons. If PM could've still played, we would have had winning records. Of course, if we could draft better then every other team in the league, I'm sure we would have had winning seasons. Maybe.
In 64 draft picks (I don’t count 2019 yet), John Elway has drafted JUST TWO Pro Bowlers who made the PB as a Bronco (Von and Julius Thomas). 2 out of 64. Elway is drafting fat worse than his peers. That is embarrassing!!
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Originally posted by GiddyupGetEm View PostThere are 1696 players in the League (53x32). Every year about 110 players make the Pro Bowl. So 6.5% of NFL players make the Pro Bowl each year.
In 64 draft picks (I don’t count 2019 yet), John Elway has drafted JUST TWO Pro Bowlers who made the PB as a Bronco (Von and Julius Thomas). 2 out of 64. Elway is drafting fat worse than his peers. That is embarrassing!!
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So based off the example of 6.5% of players making the pro bowl, 6.5% of 64 picks would be 4.16 or 4 players. So you wanted 2 more pro bowlers?
You must not be including UDFAs like CHJ (4T PB selection) or Lindsay (Rookie pro bowl, first time ever for UDFA?)
Literally it's just unproductive complaining.
Elway still has another year or 2 minimum before we can blame it all on him.
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Originally posted by Kon View PostSo based off the example of 6.5% of players making the pro bowl, 6.5% of 64 picks would be 4.16 or 4 players. So you wanted 2 more pro bowlers?
You must not be including UDFAs like CHJ (4T PB selection) or Lindsay (Rookie pro bowl, first time ever for UDFA?)
Literally it's just unproductive complaining.
Elway still has another year or 2 minimum before we can blame it all on him.
11 KC
10 DAL
9 CHI, MIN
8 ATL, GB, NO
7 LAC, LAR, PIT
6 AZ, HOU, MIA, PHI, SEA, WAS
5 BAL, CAR, CLE, DET, TB, TEN
4 IND, JAX, NYJ, OAK, SF
3 CIN, DEN, NE, NYG
2 BUF
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So the awful performance we’ve seen over the last three years is a team that is missing three extra playmakers on the field each week. That is Elway’s legacy.
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Originally posted by GiddyupGetEm View PostSince 2011, the number of players drafted by each franchise to attain Pro Bowl or All Pro status (not necessarily with the team that drafted them). Notice the Broncos (Elway more specifically) way down toward the bottom.
11 KC
10 DAL
9 CHI, MIN
8 ATL, GB, NO
7 LAC, LAR, PIT
6 AZ, HOU, MIA, PHI, SEA, WAS
5 BAL, CAR, CLE, DET, TB, TEN
4 IND, JAX, NYJ, OAK, SF
3 CIN, DEN, NE, NYG
2 BUF
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So the awful performance we’ve seen over the last three years is a team that is missing three extra playmakers on the field each week. That is Elway’s legacy.
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Things can get worse.
Yeah we have not made the playoffs in 3 years but before that we won the AFC west 5 years in a row. The Chargers have not won the AFC West since 2009 and the Raiders have not won the AFC West since 2002.
But it is about winning the Super Bowl you say...since Elway has been here the only other AFC team to knock the Patriots out of the playoffs in the AFC is the Ravens....and Elway's Broncos have done it twice!
We should want to win it all. I am happy we have fans who want to do whatever it takes to win including getting rid of players, coaches and GMs who have won a ring for us but maybe can not do it anymore.
The one thing I think a lot of fans around the world forget is when replacing anyone on the team....it is easier to get a worse replacement than a better replacement. In fact it is really hard to get a replacement who is going to meet the expectations of this fan base....and I am glad we have those expectations. We just need to be real about things.Time to build on the win and grow the team from some solid play higher level of play
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Originally posted by Kon View PostSo based off the example of 6.5% of players making the pro bowl, 6.5% of 64 picks would be 4.16 or 4 players. So you wanted 2 more pro bowlers?
You must not be including UDFAs like CHJ (4T PB selection) or Lindsay (Rookie pro bowl, first time ever for UDFA?)
Literally it's just unproductive complaining.
Elway still has another year or 2 minimum before we can blame it all on him.
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Originally posted by JvDub95 View PostWill the boards still be up in arms after we beat Chicago??? I'm not screaming for anybody's head until we see where this team is at half way through
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Originally posted by samparnell View PostJohn Elway is under contract as the Denver Broncos' GM through the 2021 season.
Superbowl 50 MVP Von Miller on February 7th, 2016
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